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Initial post: 25 May 2013 19:20:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 May 2013 19:45:56 BDT
Joe. C says:
A question that many of us can't help but ask, as it is simply in our nature.
The question is very possibly unknowable, as the answer lies outside the bubble of our expanding universe.
That began to expand around 13.7 billion years ago from an infinitesimally small, low entropy beginning...

I am aware this is a scientific question, but understandably it is also often met with a religious answer.
I would just like to point out why this is less satisfactory than the answer, an entire universe created itself out of nothing... Whatever that is.
Or a continual contraction and expansion/ big bang followed by a big crunch recurring. *edit Although I've just learnt this eventually leads us to the same causality problem. One to read up on. :D
It comes down to using the simple rationality of causality, which is hardwired into our brain and is probably partly what leads us to the conclusion of a god. e.g watch watchmaker, blah blah.
If you are to say god has always existed... forever. Which is often the case. Then from a causality stand point, you are left even further stupefied, as an entity exists with complexity and vast intelligence, that had no begging as well as no cause.
It has just always been... To me that is just... no.

What ever the answer is i'm sure it would sound crazy, in the sense that its is not just beyond our limited senses, but beyond reality as we know it.
The whole god answer is just a little too crazy for my liking.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 19:28:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 May 2013 19:31:32 BDT
Bellatori says:
http://www.deepastronomy.com/what-caused-the-big-bang.html

is not an answer but is quite a nice introduction to the questions that maybe we should be asking.

I also found

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/04/stephen-hawking-big-bang-gap which was quite 'charming'!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2164847/There-need-God-cause-Big-Bang-says-scientist.html is a bit of a reaffirmation of the no God required theory.

Posted on 25 May 2013 19:40:19 BDT
Joe. C says:
Just watched the first one, thanks it was a good watch. It puts it better than I did.
I'll be sure to give the other two a go later, cheers.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 19:44:59 BDT
kraka says:
Joe. C .....Says, "The whole god answer is just a little too crazy for my liking.

Well,... long, long ago, I was floating around in an infinite "no space" when I bumped into a whopping big "Atom Blaster" an enormous firework and just out of devilment I lit the fuse, suddenly there was this almighty....................

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 19:56:52 BDT
kraka,

"Well,... long, long ago, I was floating around in an infinite "no space" when I bumped into a whopping big "Atom Blaster" an enormous firework and just out of devilment I lit the fuse, suddenly there was this almighty.................... "

1. "long, long ago" - there was no time so you wouldn't be able to say that.
2. Your infinite "no space" - has no dimensions otherwise it would be something.
3. "no space" - there wasn't anything to float in. No space, no dimension, no time, no existence.
4. "I lit the fuse" - the big bang wasn't an explosion, it was an expansion.

So much misunderstanding in one small spoof sentence.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 20:46:54 BDT
kraka says:
Reverend A Theist,

Hi Rev......Next time I'll let you light the fuse........ I Promise. ;-(

Posted on 25 May 2013 21:20:13 BDT
Stu says:
well joe,as an atheist i cannot believe that god caused the big bang,and i thought about it as if i were religious if god could have caused it.To me niether way could there have been a god to create it? To me it had to be a build up of gases,which ones are beyond me to be truthful,but thats the only explanation i could come up with

Posted on 26 May 2013 20:59:23 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 21:05:33 BDT
Bellatori says:
I posted this link earlier but it is quite a good plain man's guide to the big bang...
http://www.deepastronomy.com/what-caused-the-big-bang.html

Posted on 26 May 2013 21:15:26 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 21:46:20 BDT
Stu says:
and along comes our founty boy,well simon have you got a reasonable answer or is that the best you can offer?cmon man lets have a discussion without name calling etc for once eh?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 21:57:09 BDT
Spin says:
stu: you are wasting your time with the "Fount". Unless you have a joke, a witticism, a satirical comment, or some abstract, nonsensical comment to make, the "Fount" will not take you seriously enough to answer. Ask the Fount about the relationship between wheels of cheese and clarinets played by elephants and you will get an in-depth conversation. =)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 22:10:50 BDT
Stu says:
hi spin,all well,i just thought for once we might have a decent discussion without any rubbish being thrown at each other but we cant can we on any of them,nevermind

In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 22:14:32 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 22:18:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 May 2013 22:39:27 BDT
Stu says:
hell of a lot judging by your deleted posts,well they deleted 4 or 5 on the trot at one point recently did they not

In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 22:42:54 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 22:56:21 BDT
Stu says:
really must have my dinner as tablets taken spin,speak tomorrow ok

In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 23:49:09 BDT
Spin,

You're only saying that because its core to your beliefs, is it not?

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Posted on 27 May 2013 00:18:27 BDT
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Posted on 27 May 2013 00:21:29 BDT
Anita says:
Spin says: Especially given *our* knowledge of Quantum mechanics... :)

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Posted on 27 May 2013 00:32:48 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 00:34:33 BDT
Spin says:
Anita: Read up on the subject of "Anti-matter".

Posted on 27 May 2013 02:52:41 BDT
Henry James says:
What caused the big bang?

It wasn't me!
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