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Initial post: 20 Jun 2013 14:03:46 BDT
Being in charge of Hell and punishing the wicked - why do people think that he would condone or appreciate 'sinful' behaviour ? If he was in favour of all the 'bad' things, surely Hell would be a Bad Heaven rather than an eternal torment ?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 14:15:51 BDT
in that case bad heaven would be eternal torment

Posted on 20 Jun 2013 14:18:03 BDT
Muscovy says:
'Satan' is subservient to God; it's all loving God who ultimately punishes the wicked - he commands and Satan carries it out; Satan is like, shall we say, a supervisor in a very hot crèche.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 14:37:36 BDT
Why ?? I don't get it. I'm having a slow day so please bare with me lol

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 14:38:13 BDT
Why would Satan do what God says when He through him out ?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 14:41:30 BDT
Hello Ecchi,

I would guess that the theory goes something like this:

God is all-knowing, and all-powerful. He created the Universe, and everything in it (including Satan). Given that he is all-knowing and all-powerful, he must have known that Satan was going to rebel, and is therefore using him to punish those who don't worship him (God).

However, I don't know how Christians explain the (supposed) existence of Satan vs. an all-powerful God. It's usually something like 'man created evil when he sinned' (and God somehow has no control over, or chooses not to control, evil).

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 15:17:33 BDT
heaven and hell are both eternal.

so if its bad heaven(hell) then it follows that it would be eternal torment.....yes?

Posted on 20 Jun 2013 15:21:29 BDT
The whole concept is risible of course, but one of the many things that seemed poorly thought out to me was that humans have a way of acclimatizing to pain when it is a constant in their lives. I know from personal experience that this is true, it still hurts, but you get used to it's presence. Of course this is just over a paltry few decades, imagine what eternity would do.

Posted on 20 Jun 2013 15:23:57 BDT
easytiger says:
You could say that we are actually in hell and all this eternal life ever after along with religious wars and misery is Satan's wheeze.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 15:25:24 BDT
I meant Bad Heaven, as in a Heaven for bad behaviour. In that it wouldn't be a punishment or torment, as it would be the 'bad' things people enjoyed. An easy solution would be to stick everyone in Heaven; it's Heaven for the goodies, and Hell for the baddies ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 15:25:59 BDT
It would have as much evidence to validate it as any of the other metaphysical claims religions have made.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 15:33:42 BDT
sounds like good heaven to me....I can enjoy all the bad things I like for eternity

cider and weed and sex for ever...>OOOOOOOO HEAVEN!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 15:39:13 BDT
Sounds pretty good to me too !!
Might go off into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights, upon my return I shall be starting my own religion based on ... my experiences. If I remember them ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 17:04:00 BDT
The more people in Hell, the more work for Satan... Perhaps he is really trying to stop people sinning to make his 'eternal' job easier.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 17:06:33 BDT
Not 'man created evil', evil is a necessary corollary to good if there is free will. It is like 'dark' in comparison to light. Dark is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good. Dark/evil and light/good analogies abound in the Bible and elsewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:23:38 BDT
I'm not sure that is true, an omniscient and omnipotent being could have constructed any kind of universe it wanted after all. So making us fully aware of it's existence, and the nature of good and evil, and everything in between need not necessarily negate free will. Possessing omniscience though would negate free will, as has been discussed at length on here.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:30:33 BDT
AJ Murray says:
-"Not 'man created evil', evil is a necessary corollary to good if there is free will."

So... no free-will in heaven, just an eternity of robotic servitude. Wonder why this benevolent deity didn't just cut to the chase and create that in the first place, thus avoiding all this evil and suffering?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:35:24 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Jun 2013 19:51:43 BDT
Indeed, and of course human free will doesn't need the ubiquitous suffering of almost every other species, some of which pre-dated, and lasted longer, than human existence by many multiples of the entire lifespan of our species thus far. Just why their god required ubiquitous parasitic infestations is anyone's guess. One thing is irrefutable, a being that would "create" such a scenario is in no way benevolent.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:39:14 BDT
Spin says:
WD; Even "Light" comes in a variety of colours...

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:48:53 BDT
Norm Deplume says:
"So... no free-will in heaven"

I wonder how Satan and his angels managed to rebel if they didn't have free-will? Must have been part of his boss's plan in order to create a sock-puppet so as to pretend that all the evil did not originate with him.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:55:49 BDT
'Evil is the absence of good.' ?

So Auschwitz was the absence of good? 'a necessary corollary to good if there is free will.' ?

Are you serious? You think that such evil can be attributed to some kind of lack?

But even so what about cancer? Famine? TB? Did man create these? And if so why did God create such monsters?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 20:25:38 BDT
AJ Murray says:
-"I wonder how Satan and his angels managed to rebel if they didn't have free-will? Must have been part of his boss's plan in order to create a sock-puppet so as to pretend that all the evil did not originate with him."

He didn't fall, he was pushed... an unwitting dupe for this not-so-benevolent deity.

Posted on 20 Jun 2013 21:13:02 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 21:41:53 BDT
Hi Mr Burchell,

I think 'evil is the absence of good' seems simplistic. Surely absence of good is neutral? Evil is something other - torture is not absence of good, it's deliberate malevolence, which is a different thing altogether I think.

I find the dark/evil analogy tiresome, personally (I don't mean to be rude, it's just my personal opinion). I find it (again) simplistic and evidence that the Bible is human invention. It's natural to be scared of the dark, but there is nothing actually bad or evil about darkness. It's important in running our whole planet's ecosystem.

Posted on 20 Jun 2013 21:52:48 BDT
Spin says:
Live your life according to what others expect of you, and you do not live....
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