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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2014 07:52:10 GMT
A customer says:
Hi Light,

Thank you, I think we do as well, and that's a fair (but unexpected) question which made me think.

I learnt early on in life to rely on myself.

I draw strength from my children as they need me (and I think they still will even after 18) and my partner, she also shows me how selfless people can be as she is a trusting, caring person like you.

My philosophy is that people are more important than constructs and the best way to get to the future is together.

I suppose it's because I will be here for quite awhile in one form or another, some small part of me will continue to exist through my children, and their children, even long after my own death.

The world is a beautiful place, young children see this better than adults and we are a remarkable species, although us humans don't always do the right things at the right time there is always hope for the future.

Thank you light for your contributions here so far, stay well and I hope to see you soon.

Posted on 19 Mar 2014 01:33:49 GMT
light says:
Hi Green,

Thanks for your reply it seems like we pretty much agree on most things, we love our families and want the best for them and for our community. I was wondering what you rely on when things get really tough? (besides our family and friends), Religious writings come up for me when things get difficult. I don't mean scripture that is only meant to for fundamental believers, I mean scripture that brings comfort. Is there any philosophy that brings comfort?

After I read you next reply I'll be going again for a little while, there is so much I want to look into.

take care, light

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Mar 2014 09:51:29 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Mar 2014 10:03:03 GMT
A customer says:
Hello Light.

"***Drug awareness begins in kindergarten at the age of 5. I can't imagine they could start it any earlier. So far it hasn't helped, teens and preteens are still taking drugs. One of my daughter's friend's brother fell or jumped out of his second story dorm room while on mushrooms, he died, only 20 years old. I went to the funeral, the young man's brother spoke, it was so sad.***"

That is sad Light and truly tragic especially at that age, and sounds like a failing on others around him as much as himself. These things do happen sometimes despite people's best efforts.

More exactly better does not equal more necessarily to me.

It still is a choice by the individual (Edit: I am not talking about this story now, as I have moved along to temptation in general before its misunderstood), choices (can) be decided on information available; there is no getting away from this fact. I have sympathy for these people because addictions erode personal judgement, and clearly there are complications for anybody to stop once trapped in this web but it is a judgement call in the first place to start. We do ALL have social pressures and I am certain that this can be worse in different areas, but we do ALSO all have social obligation to others, (even if we consider not to ourselves.)

This entails personal responsibility in the regards of choices made initially and although it might be 9 kinds of hell for some to quit they must actually (want) to, this is also their responsibility, others may help or not, but it does come down to their own desire (or lack of) to want to stop.

There is help for these people as you pointed out, but without understanding this there can be no help for them, better education in this regard would help.

Prison might not be the best overall solution for these people in the regards of punishment for actions; however medical condition is ascertained by courts in at least most of these cases and taken into account and the court has a responsibility to society as much as, or more than any individual.

"***After all it is said is it not that God helps those that help themselves

I've heard this as well, but it is not an axiom. There are times in one's life where a person cannot help themselves, (I know), but in some miraculous way, things get better than can ever be anticipated.***"

I think it is, if its not then it should be, it is sensible, and although events and circumstance around that individual may change for the better naturally, they may also not or even get worse.

Things change light, situations and circumstance (can) be altered, not overnight I grant you (no quick fix) but if someone (does not want to) help dig out of any pit themselves (or they do not allow others to help them) in a positive way to work towards a better future, then they are not really much use to others either.

On some level the individual is aware of this no doubt due to how others treat them; this may well lead onto low self-esteem for both that want to stop but don't know how, and those that have no intention of stopping as you pointed out before, this exacerbates the problem certainly.

"***Sometimes the only choices a person has to choose from is, between a rock and a hard place. When you were younger, did you ever play rock, paper, scissors? Sometimes a rock is a good thing ;o)***"

I understand your point light, as I pointed out I am sure that environment and situation plays a very large part in this and some individuals are more prone to this than others certainly, however this fact does not negate personal responsibility, it does mean that treatment and better solutions should perhaps be available, along with a better understanding by that individual on how their actions might impact on others and on their own future self's.

Thanks Light.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Mar 2014 03:48:55 GMT
light says:
HI Green,

"I don't think I disagree with any part of it there is no easy fix, although I do think better education on these matters would help greatly in schools thus helping to break any "repeated cycle"

Drug awareness begins in kindergarten at the age of 5. I can't imagine they could start it any earlier. So far it hasn't helped, teens and preteens are still taking drugs. One of my daughter's friend's brother fell or jumped out of his second story dorm room while on mushrooms, he died, only 20 years old. I went to the funeral, the young man's brother spoke, it was so sad.

IMO, it's going to take more than education to lower drug and alcohol consumption to a safe level. It's going to take lifestyle changes on the behalf of the parents, family and friends, it's going to take families sticking together and really loving each other. Don't get me wrong sometimes a child can have the best of circumstances and still end up being addicted to chemicals or in prison, but all in all I think society has to make some huge changes before things are going to get any better.

"After all it is said is it not that God helps those that help themselves."

I've heard this as well, but it is not an axiom. There are times in one's life where a person cannot help themselves, (I know), but in some miraculous way, things get better than can ever be anticipated.

"Choice of the individual plays very much a part in all of this, some choose to be bound by themselves im sorry to say."

Sometimes the only choices a person has to choose from is, between a rock and a hard place. When you were younger, did you ever play rock, paper, scissors? Sometimes a rock is a good thing ;o)

take care, light

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Mar 2014 23:30:14 GMT
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A customer says:
Hello light,

This is my second attempt to this I had minor computer failure on the first attempt before I had chance to save it, oh well, as promised my reply, apologies for my lateness.

"***Here is my perspective on the matter, If someone was of sound body and mind would they do something that lands them in prison? I have known some prisoners in my time, 2 male cousins, to begin with. They were involved with drugs, which lead to stealing to pay for their drugs, which landed them in prison, several times.***"

An interesting way to look at it , alcohol and drugs erode personal judgement certainly and some people seem to have more addictive personalities than others so more susceptible to addiction.

"***There was no reform for them, now they are both in their early 50's and no job and no one really trusts them or wants them around.***"

It can take a good deal to gain trust back from others when that trust might have been broken in certain ways, It would also take a lot of effort to convince others that they have changed or stopped, if indeed they have, as these things have a strong grip on some people and it is destructive in most cases not just to themselves, but no doubt to others around them.

Reform into society (employment e.t.c) also means in the U.K at least a declaration of criminal record (up to a certain number of years?) and a CRB check is performed in many cases, a social consequence is however part and parcel of the consequences of their actions.

People have good reason to be wary in these types of cases, as this is destructive to others in real ways; I think it comes down to trust mainly.

Each situation is different of course.

"***Most other people who are in prison are there due to stupid choices they made while drunk or on chemicals. Kicking the habit is very difficult, even with drug and alcohol treatment facilities. A person has to want to quit, if they do not desire the change their ways, it will not happen. So I guess the question is, why don't they want to be sober. Many people are in too much pain, either physical or mental.***"

Absolutely agree with this for these types of cases light, and for the reasons why don't they want to stop? This can be varied and complicated I am sure, or as simple as the fact that deep down they don't want to enough.

After all it is said is it not that God helps those that help themselves.

*** "I think that there is not enough love in the world to over come addiction and repeated cycles of imprisonment. It especially hurts the children, which then the cycle continues with them, it is a learned behavior and an inherited one, very difficult to overcome. Some of it could be over come with self-control but I think it goes deeper than self-control. Low self-esteem also plays into this equation. If people thought better of themselves then maybe they would be able to stay away from harmful substances and situations that could get them into deep trouble.***"

Read this part twice, I don't think I disagree with any part of it there is no easy fix, although I do think better education on these matters would help greatly in schools thus helping to break any "repeated cycle"

***"Maybe your prisons are better where you are, but over here they are full of gang members and everyone comes out knowing more about crime when they get out than when they first went in.***"

I can offer no comparison here im afraid, although from what I am given to understand conditions are far from perfect.

"***When I was a teenager I went into a detention center for children a couple of times, not for anything too bad, mostly for being unruly by running away from home and some other little odds and ends types of things. There was no reforming going on in there, there was no counseling, only putting ones time in. School time in there consisted of doing a couple of crossword puzzles and something else that I don't remember. There was no privacy not even in the bathroom. We had horrible dresses and tennis shoes to wear, these are the only things I can think of that would make someone not do things to make them go back there.***"

I would hope that this way of looking at things has changed in at least many of these places light, I would also say for minor offences restriction of freedom is punishment enough. I strongly think that individuals need to learn by their mistakes and accept them as such if any change is really desired by that individual; this can only really be achieved through better education, with as you rightly pointed out earlier, the will to change.

Choice of the individual plays very much a part in all of this, some choose to be bound by themselves im sorry to say.

Thanks Light.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Mar 2014 14:46:14 GMT
Ronald Craig says:
I'll just repost it, then.

"#9 - 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' This doesn't just mean lying about another, whether in a casual or legal sense, but also just 'passing on' unverified gossip/rumors, as well as focused and on-going attacks aimed at Character Assassination. (The exception being politicians or others in public office, where public-opinion of the job they are doing just comes with the territory.)"

How about trying to create rumors or posting innuendo about others in a public forum... isn't that also false witness?

Claiming that a politician is a homosexual and has been responsible for murder to hide said fact goes well beyond "public-opinion".

Jesus was particularly critical of hypocrites, was he not? Or is that just something else from the Bible "moral guidebook" you choose to ignore?

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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Mar 2014 12:01:17 GMT
Ronald Craig says:
"The schools in the U.S. do a horrible job teaching Critical Thinking skills"

This from a woman who has "speculated" that squid evolved on the Moon (because many species of them rise to the ocean surface on nights of the full moon) and who evidently believes that US President Obama is a murderous homosexual (when she's not convinced that he's been dead since the summer before the last election and secretly replaced by an Indonesian look-alike, that is). Sorry... but one should practice before one preaches.

"But then our public schools still teach each subject 'in a box', unrelated to other subjects - which would vastly improve both the topic being taught and the students' interest."

Ask her when she last stood in a public school classroom. (During class time, I mean.) I've never been able to get an answer on this. Or, more relevantly, what exactly her expertise and experience in the field of education might be.

"I'm not sure what you mean by 'instinctual thought,' since humans have no real 'instincts'"

This from someone who supposedly has a university degree in Psychology.

"As far as using the Internet to 'research' issues, most young people head to the notoriously UNexpert Wikipedia - and stop there. (Which, like our slanted lamestream media, is rewritten constantly by folks with an Agenda, and no expert credentials.) "

Like many who pooh-pooh the idea of Wikipedia, Marilyn obviously knows nothing of how Wikipedia is actually operated, how content is reviewed by teams of volunteer editors who delete unsourced additions and revert outright vandalism. And this is particularly ironic considering some of the nonsense this woman has posted online, with her "expert credentials" and obvious personal agenda.

Feh.

Posted on 17 Mar 2014 11:22:11 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Mar 2014 10:04:14 GMT
William, yes that's the thing, the words become absorbed into mainstream usage and even though many people might use the word 'evil' without any wish to imply religious connotation. the fact is that it remains in our daily language as a religious reminder and as you say can be used by religiously minded people to promote their views.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Mar 2014 13:42:28 GMT
Spin says:
Marilyn: I do not think you take the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness..." too seriously given your attacks on US politicians and gay folk. =)

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Mar 2014 11:13:30 GMT
A customer says:
Actually light, I feel that one person was attempting this and others were commenting on the actions of that one person, I have no idea if anyone enjoyed it I hope so.

Im sure I have rocked a few boats in my time posting, (too bad for them) and I have a reasonable idea who this name changing individual is as writing is very much like a signature, this individual posts because of his ego and has as yet not a great deal to contribute, apart from he is great because he thinks he is.

It would not be un-normal for this name changing individual (if my assumption is correct on who they are) to post in this kind of way to whoever no matter what the subject or thread.

I will reply to the more important aspects of your post later light as I have some things to do for now.

Take care light.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Mar 2014 02:54:22 GMT
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light says:
Hi Green,

I noticed that someone was taking the mickey out of your thread ;o) or at least that's what I think it's called. Page after page of nonsense, but it appeared that many people enjoyed it.

"Assuming that the individual is of sound body and mind and has been judged correctly in the courts I do not see why not light, prison is not supposed to be revenge as far as I know, it is merely just a way to show consequence to action by removing a persons freedom for a length of time."

Here is my perspective on the matter, If someone was of sound body and mind would they do something that lands them in prison? I have known some prisoners in my time, 2 male cousins, to begin with. They were involved with drugs, which lead to stealing to pay for their drugs, which landed them in prison, several times. There was no reform for them, now they are both in their early 50's and no job and no one really trusts them or wants them around.

Most other people who are in prison are there due to stupid choices they made while drunk or on chemicals. Kicking the habit is very difficult, even with drug and alcohol treatment facilities. A person has to want to quit, if they do not desire the change their ways, it will not happen. So I guess the question is, why don't they want to be sober. Many people are in too much pain, either physical or mental.

I think that there is not enough love in the world to over come addiction and repeated cycles of imprisonment. It especially hurts the children, which then the cycle continues with them, it is a learned behavior and an inherited one, very difficult to overcome. Some of it could be over come with self-control but I think it goes deeper than self-control. Low self-esteem also plays into this equation. If people thought better of themselves then maybe they would be able to stay away from harmful substances and situations that could get them into deep trouble.

Maybe your prisons are better where you are, but over here they are full of gang members and everyone comes out knowing more about crime when they get out than when they first went in.

When I was a teenager I went into a detention center for children a couple of times, not for anything too bad, mostly for being unruly by running away from home and some other little odds and ends types of things. There was no reforming going on in there, there was no counseling, only putting ones time in. School time in there consisted of doing a couple of crossword puzzles and something else that I don't remember. There was no privacy not even in the bathroom. We had horrible dresses and tennis shoes to wear, these are the only things I can think of that would make someone not do things to make them go back there.

However, from a different perspective, the things I mentioned were more than some people had depending on where they were from, there was food, warm bed, hot showers and no molesting going on. For me, not so great, for some, safe haven......

take care, light

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Mar 2014 01:34:56 GMT
A customer says:
Also Marilyn just to clear up what might be confused by you or any others, when I said we should be judged by our actions and not our thoughts I did not mean that for example pre-meditated murder should carry the same punishment as say manslaughter, it should not of course.

This is because a pre-meditated murder has been considered, thought about, and then importantly acted upon, following a pre-meditated plan in this way is thought of as a worse crime, and it is.

Thanks Marilyn, I realised just now that this could possibly be seen this way but this was not my meaning, as a pre-meditated murder would also show in the actions of the individual.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2014 23:36:27 GMT
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A customer says:
Hello Marilyn,

In the last two years at his school before he attended college my eldest son who is nearly eighteen was taught ethics as a subject, in his *own* words (he typed this next part and it is his view) this consisted of:

"Exploring moral perspectives from both religious, scientific and political viewpoints regarding controversial subjects where there is a lot of debate, including abortion, artificial insemination, marriage equality, euthanasia and law enforcement (e.g. whether the death penalty is moral, and exploring that from both sides), we are then required to analyse and form an unbiased argument, concluding with our own personal opinion on the matter. We also cover a lot of subjects regarding prejudices and how that is dealt with in the world"

This subject as far as I know is not taught everywhere in schools across the U.K, but my son *definitely* feels that it helped him understand these things better, and I would agree, we also have long chats and his understanding on these matters is staggering for his age, and although I may be biased in this he is certainly one of the most kind, caring and considerate people that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.

As to having moral instincts I will leave some links for you to peruse.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/03/04/is-morality-a-basic-instinct/

http://amanwithaphd.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/morality-is-an-instinct-and-a-learned-behavior/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mind-and-morals/201103/the-moral-instinct

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/famous-trolley-problem-exposes-moral-instincts/

And finally for now.

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/human/chapter5.html

A *LOT* of study has been done in this area, and it now seems to be the general consensus that our morality is fundamentally instinctive in nature; I would agree having watched my own children grow, this of course does not mean that information is not continually added over time, especially during childhood.

"***Most kids do absorb their parents' stance on ethics and morality. But the best place to learn and debate this is at the dinner table, and many "modern" families no longer do this. Kids with computers and lots of homework spend most of their time "snacking" in their rooms.***"

I think this may be a unfair generalisation Marilyn, but would agree that it's important to find time for children and to have quality time with them

"***As far as using the Internet to "research" issues, most young people head to the notoriously UNexpert Wikipedia - and stop there. (Which, like our slanted lamestream media, is rewritten constantly by folks with an Agenda, and no expert credentials.) And I'm noticing a proliferation of Ask-A-Question sites on-line, where the voted Best Answer is presented - which may be nor more accurate or objective than Wikipedia's constantly-changing entries.***"

Again Im sorry to say this I think may be another unfair generalisation, I myself use Wiki but I do not see it as the means to all knowledge or the end of a subject it does change and get updated but its handy in the regards of referencing and starting points for subjects and mostly leads onto other information for me.

"***Although I do agree, that parents need to be responsible for their kids. But in poor families, both parents may have to work to survive, and their kids are left to get into gangs and/or trouble. (One reason I'm advocating for a "living wage" in the U.S. - so at least one parent can stay home and "raise/instruct" the kids.)

It is difficult here as well for many and different pressures can make people do different things, all I can really give you on this is my own perspective and that would be that I have *always* tried to find time for all of my children and have tried to treat them all equally.

Thanks Marilyn.

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Kleist says:
I don't myself have a problem with the word 'evil,' though I think it is a problematic concept (if that is not a contradiction).

One of the problems is that the word has come from a largely religious background and is somehow invested with the significance of malign spirits, the devil and possession. But I fear we are in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Post holocaust thinkers, for pretty obvious reasons, began talking about evil again. Moral philosophers had largely stopped doing so and talked instead about rights, duties and justice (and rightly so). I just looked in the index of my A Companion to Ethics (Blackwell Companions to Philosophy) and couldn't find a section on evil. But I think of works like Hannah Arendt Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil (Penguin Twentieth Century Classics) where the notion of evil is understood not as Mephistophelian, but as banal.

I do think there are evils acts in our word: genocide, rape, child-murder and so on. I also believe that there are evil ideologies in the world: Nazism, racism, misogyny, homophobia and so on.

I protest at the religious usurping a perfectly useful and apt word. Moreover I think that moral categories stand apart from religious, and this can be shown by noting how I think that homophobia and misogyny are evil and yet they are institutionalised in some religions. To give up the word to the religious thinkers therefore is to lose one powerful means of criticism of their ideology. Though I confess that the more I look at the phenomena of evil the less I feel confident about proclaiming how it should be understood. But this is true of many words that I really wouldn't want to give up, but at the same time would not wish to retain their religious significance: 'truth', 'goodness', 'beauty' even 'knowledge.'

As a kind of emphasis to what I have said: I not only DO NOT believe that morality is not grounded on religion, I believe that logically IT CANNOT be.

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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2014 09:12:59 GMT
William R says:
> "i have a bit of a problem with the word 'evil'"

I agree, the labels can become a distraction. Hospitals have ethics committees where I'm sure they don't talk about Good triumphing over Evil. I wouldn't argue there is no good or evil, but there is a temptation to see them as independent phenomena, then if you're Tom M or MBen they obviously come from God (or if you're Bradders, space).

For some reason the Morcheeba lyric from What New York Couples Fight About comes to mind:

Once a label is on something
It becomes an it
...
What is imagination
May become a fact
If we think of it that way

Posted on 15 Mar 2014 07:31:46 GMT
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The funny thing about 'proof based' law is that it discourages people from making up any old story about someone they don't like, and sending them down, without trial. Sort of like they did in Soviet Russia.

As for the news and bias, what about the scandalous bias of Fox News and the Tory press...?

Strange you seem not to have noticed this.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2014 00:38:52 GMT
A customer says:
"***if someone is surrounded by evil manipulators, they may think they are doing "good", but are really following an evil path. We as a global society need to get back to a bedrock definition of Good and Evil, so that our young people especially can learn Critical Thinking Skills with a semblance of guidance by morality and ethics.***"

I would agree with the first part but I have reservations about the second for a number of what I think are good reasons which I will expand on if asked, although ethics should be taught as a subject in every school in my opinion.

"***If someone spends time thinking about or even plotting a murder but never carries it out, or harming a child over time, they have committed a crime in God's eyes - if not in our proof-based society of laws.***"

Well, harming a child is not legal of course and if people like this are caught then they face legal punishment. If the thought of legal punishment does not stop them then it's unlikely that the notion of a punishment by a God will either, the other danger here is that the concept of "God" can be extremely malleable in order to fit in with individual justification.

I do not agree that we should be judged by our thoughts; as our actions reveal our true nature to others and action (or inaction) is also only what matters in (this) world, at least to others; language in this regard would count as "action".

***""Would "good" exist at all without "evil?"
Without a counter-force, you wouldn't notice Good. And every force in the universe, as designed by God, has an opposite - for Balance. The Asian religions understand this fully, in a sense of Yin and Yang. Too much Good, and people become bored and unchallenged. Too much Evil, and people just stay in shock and crying, unable to move forward with their lives or accomplish anything, from the personal to the societal levels. (Which is why chaos and crises are the tools-of-the-trade for big scale Evil.)***"

I also think that scale or comparisons are needed with these concepts so the perfect "ideal" and the worst possible one give understandable comparative values. The concept of balance and yin/yang is an interesting one.

Thanks Marilyn.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Mar 2014 00:38:33 GMT
A customer says:
Hello Marilyn,

"***A big problem I see today is "slanted news" or "manipulated media content" that is deliberately trying to make people think and/or behave in a certain forced direction. And honest "moral and ethical judgements" cannot be made in a vacuum - neither by Bible references only, nor the lamestream media's slanted-news.***"

There are two things at play in an individual as far as I know where this is concerned; there is the instinctive and the considered.

Most of the time considered thought followed by action or inaction usually aligns with instinct, but there can be a separation of these things in individuals which can be due to many factors, and it is of course possible to override these instincts in a considered way although this can lead to serious internal conflict in some.

Your point about newspapers and other sources of information being biased is no doubt true and I would agree with you, however the internet among other things gives us a way to check multiple sources and this is the way I try to encourage my children to learn, by checking opposing or different (and multiple sources) about any subject, this I feel enables a less biased "story" as differences between accounts and sources make it relatively easy to notice any bias.

Some look for a story that supports their viewpoint.

"***Although everyone needs to understand they are responsible for their actions, since everyone faces "undue pressure" from evil sources everyday - whether drug dealers or friends/relatives who lie. And yet not everyone makes the same bad choices when presented with the same problems or barriers. Taking full responsibility to make moral/ethical decisions, irregardless of "extenuating factors", is a mark of maturity and clear thinking.***"

A mixture of things I think, not everybody makes the same "mistakes" at the same time, some individuals have already learnt "not to" by either parents or peer groups or other information.

Responsibility lies with the parent at least to the age of eighteen where young people are concerned and with assisting through problems of any kind that need support.

Better education is an effective means of combating this to some degree.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2014 22:18:31 GMT
A customer says:
Hi Anita,

You carry on posting to whatever you like whenever you like; I would not want it any other way.

Thank you for your answer though of course :-) we don't have to strictly stick rigidly to any one topic as far as im concerned as many things overlap.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2014 22:18:05 GMT
A customer says:
Thank you for sharing your perspective Marilyn, I intend to reply to this as soon as I have time to.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2014 22:12:06 GMT
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Sometimes, Anita, I wonder if religion is actually is a negative feature where moral codes are concerned.

Steven Weinberg is quoted as saying
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

I agree with this.

I also rather agree with him on...
"One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment."

Eventually I came across this

"Many of the great world religions teach that God demands a particular faith and form of worship. It should not be surprising that SOME of the people who take these teachings seriously should sincerely regard these divine commands as incomparably more important than any merely secular virtues like tolerance or compassion or reason.
Across Asia and Africa the forces of religious enthusiasm are gathering strength, and reasom and tolerance are not safe even in the secular states of the West. The historian Huge Trevor-Roper has said that it was the spread of the spirit of science in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries that finally ended the burning pf the witches in Europe. We may need to rely again on the influence of science to preserve a sane wolrd.It's not the certainty of the scientific knowledge that fits it for this role, but its UNCERTAINTY. Seeing scientists change their minds again and again about the matters that can be studied directly in laboratory experiments, how can one take seriously the claims of religious traditions or sacred writings to certain knowledge about matters beyond human experience"

I really must find out more about him as he seems to hit most of the points I think about fair ad square on the head.

[Edit] I knew I knew the name "1979 the Nobel Prize in Physics"... I even have a book of his on quantum theory... not one of my better days!!!
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