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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Mar 2013 14:59:19 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Well put.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Mar 2013 14:58:30 GMT
C. A. Small says:
nice to see you are back to your usual nonsense. And back on ignore you go.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Mar 2013 14:53:40 GMT
Bellatori says:
I am sure it will be 'such fun' and a great time will be had by all. In fact I am sure a lot of people will be had. Donations requested? I have been to several of these type of events. Sadly I will still be enjoying the sunshine in Spain and will have to pass on the joy.
The sad thing is that a lot of people will go and expect healing. There is no pit in hell deep enough for those who promulgate this type of con. To date I have not found one example of true faith healing. Lots of claims, either bogus - and you might be amazed at how many of those there are - or simply placebo effect.

An interesting side light on this was that in about 1984 they did a study of miracle healing of cancer at Lourdes and found that the result was statistically WORSE (!) than random (1:30->60k cancers spontaneously remit). There was, in fact, a sensible explanation of this - they forgot that this is a study in time as well as in place! - but still the gullible and the desperate still go.

Posted on 30 Mar 2013 14:42:33 GMT
Spin says:
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Posted on 29 Mar 2013 10:51:53 GMT
N. J. Ashton says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Mar 2013 09:36:26 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Forester - when you have read more of spins drivel you will get the point.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Mar 2013 07:59:07 GMT
forester says:
You are using pretentious as a word that describes a fact rather than an opinion. It cannot be a hallmark unless it were explicit despite opinion, which it is not.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Mar 2013 07:52:52 GMT
C. A. Small says:
REV- agreed, but you forgot to add "pretentious" the hallmark of spin's posts.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Mar 2013 01:19:58 GMT
forester says:
My point is we have the capacity of imagination, so why not use it? Why does everything have to have an empirical basis? Does not empirical knowledge have to be interpreted anyway? So many concepts that are dear to humanity are products of the imagination, value judgements that have no existence outside of human perception. Meaning has to be synthetic, it is a creative act. What I do not like is the materialist prejudice that calls such creation delusion, the idea we are not allowed to create. We are told life is meaningless and that is that. No, we can make life meaningful, if we try. Why else are we here?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 22:04:09 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 21:59:29 GMT
Sorry Spin. This is unevidenced, egocentric jibberish.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 18:00:23 GMT
maybe she was into bondage!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 17:59:38 GMT
Bellatori

it was a (probably poor) quote from a film but for the life of me i can't remember which one and it's been bothering me all afternoon!

now Betty Boop was sex on two legs there's no denying it!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 16:27:13 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 14:52:09 GMT
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A customer says:
Hi Richard,

To be honest I think I prefer one of the Scooby-Doo gang, although it might get a little tiresome, she did after all get captured on almost every single episode by bad guys. Don't even get me started on Jessica rabbit, Betty Boops hair used to put me off, and the fact she never changed her dress, although she looked good in it...

This is what happens when you're in a long term relationships, you're allowed to look at girls but they better not be real, ive made myself sad now.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 14:33:23 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Forester- your ego is stopping you thinking. Why must there be a moral? why must there be a point?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 14:32:01 GMT
C. A. Small says:
I do not "believe", I accept "evidence". Life is so much easier that way. It saves denying the facts, ignoring the evidence and appearing like a cretin. Maybe you should try it?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 13:37:35 GMT
Bellatori says:
Not if it were Betty Boop I'll warrant.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 13:35:47 GMT
"i'd sleep with Betty but i'd be thinking of Wilma"

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 12:03:47 GMT
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Bellatori says:
Actually WAP is really very simple and is a way of dressing up 'we are here because we are here' in scientific sounding words. In actual fact it is the Lottery Winner fallacy viewed from the other side...

The Lottery Winner Fallacy - Winning the lottery is so improbable that it cannot happen so there must be an intelligent designer - that is the theist side of the argument
The obverse is the WAP which says - as improbable as it is someone HAS to win the lottery. That person holds the winning ticket and gets the cash. He does not hand it back saying that it is too improbable and therefore it cannot be true. He takes the money, smiles and says thank you. We are the lottery winners with the ticket held in our hand... say thankyou and move on.

Posted on 28 Mar 2013 11:54:20 GMT
Some very good posts on the past 2 pages I have to say I'm very much enjoying where this thread is going, it almost seems like a proper discussion... that's happening on the internet, I know how crazy that sounds but it's true haha

Back on topic, I see were Dan is coming from. Trying to put it into words is being a little difficult, it's almost as if (for lack of a better word) fear being alone. It's not that they fear death or fear an afterlife or their God it's that the fear the concept of being alone. That everything is chaos and we come and go as casually as the wind without the universe caring.

What particularly caught me however was Forester's comment " I want to feel I know what is going on, even if I do have to imagine it." I would rather have the truth than have to imagine things up out of thin air, we can base our lives on hopes and dreams and imaginations but were will that get us in the end. I like to base my life on what I know, what I can learn and lots of alcohol :P

@Bellatori - I have very limited knowledge of the "WAP" mostly because the stuff I have read on it is fairly complicated and I'll honestly admit to not being well versed in the field. I would love to know more about and was curious if you would know of anyway a lets say "Novice" like me could get started in understanding it. If that's even possible of course

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 10:55:11 GMT
Dan Fante says:
It wasn't necessarily about a fear of death though. It was about a fear that there's no meaning to life and no God, no afterlife, no grand scheme etc. it just 'is'. I would think that many people would find this prospect frightening. Not everyone, of course.

Posted on 28 Mar 2013 10:42:52 GMT
Bellatori says:
The reason we are here? I go for the 'Weak Anthropic Principle'. It makes sense and has some grounding in reason. It is not a complete answer but requires the least from us in terms of mysticism.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 10:42:40 GMT
kraka says:
Dan Fante

Hi Dan, I read your post in which you say, " I tend to think people search for reasons and significance to life because they find the alternative too scary"

Strangely i do not recall ever having had a fear of death, when younger i was to busy to think about such things and it has remained that way for most of my life. That does not mean that i have not become aware of people that have said "I don't wanner die" But then, who does? except suiciders. So personally i don't really relate to your statement. Nor do i think that people facing such a thought becomes motivated enough to start searching for an alternative, people know that death is inevitable, why waste the effort. no matter what i believe it's not going to stop it from happening. It is my belief that people do search, but for answers to life not death, so really i don't agree with your idea. In that search for answers some believe the answers lay in science, some are drawn to religion, etc,etc,etc but none of these searches are motivated by a quest to defeat death.
Cheers......................................................kraka

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2013 10:34:32 GMT
In the duality of itself, or not, the balance being diametrically opposed to itself, and consciously unconscious, from without, that is either codswallop or tripe. Or just unadulterated bollox.
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