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Initial post: 30 Jan 2013 15:04:46 GMT
Apparently there's an outcry that it's not fair of councils to appoint private enforcement officers (many ex army) to issue on-the-spot fines to people caught dropping litter. Why is it unfair?

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 15:07:43 GMT
easytiger says:
Haven't we got enough little hitlers on the streets all ready?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 15:18:05 GMT
We need more enforcement of these laws, harsher penalities...

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 15:18:45 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jan 2013 15:19:03 GMT
Silly little tigger...these laws are hardly ever enforced...grow up man.

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 15:19:51 GMT
We've got a lot of litter.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 15:20:55 GMT
Luddite Joe says:
Turn the little hitlers into litter hitters. Problem solved.

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 15:33:20 GMT
Does anyone know whether places with enforcement officers have less litter since their introduction. I searched but found no info.

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 16:04:36 GMT
Roma says:
I support this. I would extend it to include dog fouling. (I am a dog owner.) I simply don t understand the mentality of people who mess up our streets. Fly tipping is another practice I abhor as this often results in beautiful countryside being ruined. I think the councils should provide more bins and should collect large items for disposal free of charge. For people on benefits or on basic pensions the current collection charge is too high. For those who don t have cars disposal of goods at a civic amenity site is not an optin.

A cleaner country and creation of jobs _what s not to like?

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 16:14:54 GMT
easytiger says:
But you just know they're going to have targets and pick on little old ladies who accidently drop a wrapper from their Worther's Originals, don't you?
If you visit the civic amenity centre ( a dump, but that's what councils do isn't, sit around all day making up silly names for things) in a van, they'll charge you a minimum of £100 and a further £100 a tonne to dump anything. Hence fly-tipping.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 16:18:01 GMT
G. Heron says:
I would like to know how this is supposed to work. If someone litters and one of these enforcement officers come up and says that will be £100 please, what is to stop the person just refusing to pay and walking away?

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 16:21:59 GMT
easytiger says:
They won't as they'll more than likely be on sticks or in a wheelchair.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 16:25:17 GMT
G. Heron says:
easytiger

You mean trouble makers?

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 16:36:40 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jan 2013 18:26:17 GMT
Roma says:
My son accidentally dropped a tab from a packet of chewing before binning the wrapper the wrapper in Edinburgh.He received a fine for this However, he wasn t asked to pay it on the spot. He was asked for his name and address and paid the fine later. I suppose people could give false info but would probably have caught on cctv anyway.

I was gutted last week when my husband received a 60 pound fine for driving into a bus lane we hadn t seen Unfortunately, cctv camera saw us!

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 17:31:19 GMT
Last edited by the author on 31 Jan 2013 08:53:57 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I totally agree. The recent snow seems to have given people round my way the green light not to pick up dog dirt (it's a problem anyway but it seems worse) meaning there's a lot of perfectly preserved turds knocking about just waiting to be trodden on. Thank you, you selfish t**ts. And I'm a dog owner too. Litter really annoys me too.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 17:32:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jan 2013 17:32:37 GMT
Dan Fante says:
It's free to use my council's dump. Again, fly tipping is just selfish.

Posted on 30 Jan 2013 17:42:31 GMT
Why not pay them to pick up the rubbish instead? 2 birds and all that.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 18:56:22 GMT
Why not give them a choice:

* paying the £60 fine

* doing a day's litter picking.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 18:57:28 GMT
Same in my town.

Most rubbish is now worth something.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 18:59:10 GMT
A friend of mine who lives in Canada near the Great Lakes, says come spring thaw the pavement is a mess of dog turds.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 19:02:29 GMT
Do you have evidence that the litter enforcers are picking <<on little old ladies who accidentally drop a wrapper from their Worther's Originals>>?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 23:34:48 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jan 2013 23:43:10 GMT
gille liath says:
The thing that gets me is when people bag it up - only to throw the bag into a hedgerow or grass verge. WTF are they thinking of? It'd be better to leave the stuff where it lies, if they can't be bothered to dispose of it properly. At least then it'd have a chance to biodegrade and be washed away, instead of being thrashed up by a mower or sitting there for years like a booby trap.

Unfortunately, the problem of fly-tipping can't be solved just by making legal tipping cheaper or easier - because the whole point is that we're trying to reduce the amount of landfill. It would be better if we grew out of this throwaway culture, where anything you've had for more than five minutes is an embarrassment and has to be got rid of.

We've had a few refuse collections missed lately on our lane. Because a lot of it was left in transparent bags, I could see that a significant amount of what was in them could have gone into the recycling collections (which would also have made it less of a problem that collection was missed). It's frustrating that people still can't be bothered to do such a simple thing. The waste problem can't be solved without everyone doing their bit.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jan 2013 23:56:51 GMT
Ian says:
I hired a van to collect my new sofa, as the old one was broken it made sense to take it to my local civic amenity centre before I returned the van.

Unfortunately I couldn't get in because they have a low barrier to prevent commercial vehicles entering. So we parked the van, my mate grabbed and end of the sofa and we attempted to carry it in. We were chased out because regulations say it's dangerous to walk in; you have to drive. The guy on duty pointed out the CCTV cameras and said his job would be on the line if he let us walk in.

I gave up, took the old sofa home and returned the van. Then I phoned the council to get the sofa uplifted - I was told to leave it on the kerb and they'd collect it within 7 days. 2 weeks later it was still there; until a neighbour complained to the council about the sofa that had been fly-tipped and they came the next day.

What were we talking about?

Posted on 31 Jan 2013 06:29:16 GMT
easytiger says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jan 2013 08:52:55 GMT
Dan Fante says:
You've got the EU angle in but can't you connect this in some way to global warming being a conspiracy? ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jan 2013 08:53:39 GMT
Dan Fante says:
My company actually did a website for a local firm that makes an absolute fortune out of it.
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