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Initial post: 3 Jan 2013 13:20:31 GMT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9777453/Obese-people-may-be-forced-to-exercise-or-lose-benefits.html

I'm all for it! What do you think about people who are fat not through any feasible medical reason but because they stuff their faces on a daily basis and wont even attempt to diet or change their lives because in all fairness.... WHY BOTHER?? Just let the tax payers pick up the bill....

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 15:12:23 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 15:14:33 GMT
Pay enough tax on the cigarettes. Tax junk food, I'm all for that!

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 15:49:22 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Good point- deny treatment for smoking related diseases.

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 16:08:46 GMT
Pipkin says:
It must be so fantastic to be perfect..... :) I remember it well.

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 16:13:14 GMT
Isn't it commonly known yet that the tax paid on smoking more than pays for the health costs on the NHS due to smoking related illnesses, sure it wouldn't be so hard to find the numbers but I'm pretty sure this was common knowledge quite a long time ago.... from a non-smoker

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 16:13:54 GMT
C. A. Small says:
I have never ever had a cigarette. My dad died just before my 5th birthday of cancer. All cigarette manufacturers should be banned.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 16:20:51 GMT
Pipkin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 16:30:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jan 2013 16:31:41 GMT
"Isn't it commonly known yet that the tax paid on smoking more than pays for the health costs on the NHS due to smoking related illnesses"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8086142.stm

Smoking related illness costs the NHS roughly £5b

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

In 2011 tobacco tax and VAT came to £11b in the UK.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 16:53:01 GMT
C. A. Small says:
So thats ok then? All those kids losing parents, not a problem. I wonder how accurate those figures are? Do they include all the lost work days, plus the side effects that cigarettes cause- the litter, pollution, agricultural areas that might grow something useful, like food?

The WHO stated that the only product (if used exactly as intended and specified) caused harm to the user and those around them is tobacco.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 17:06:37 GMT
Not a dig at plump people ME, but a deffinite step in the right direction. Saw this one program about the obesity hospital in Sunderland. A 30 odd stone woman was told she sould have a gasteric band if she showed the staff she could change by losing just 1 stone (not a big ask of someone that size who does not have a contributing medical condition which she didnt, other than diabetes which was caused by her obesity anyway.) - She could not do it. It showed her home in the docu. In her home, there was a computer with a mini fridge next to it (living room this mind). The fridge was jam packed with biscuits, sweets, savoury snacks you name it. No effort at all went into stopping herself. She relies entirely on benefits.

Now I'd LOVE to sit and get money for eating, seriously sit me infront of a bucket of butterkist (cheeky) and watch me go. But there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. These people (along with many other people who get what I describe as 'unfair healthcare') need to be given an ultimatum, stop whatever you are doing to destroy your health, or we'll let you kill yourself. Time to stop with the soft approach, this must be tackled before it cripples the UK completely and you watch it will happen very soon if we are not careful about our diets.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 17:40:33 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Popcorn all true. My sister in law cannot stop eating chocolate, and had a gastric band fitted- it has made no real difference because she just eats continually, and eats high sugar and high fat rubbish. It has limited her stomach size so she cannot eat large volumes, but by continually grazing she negates the band.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 17:42:30 GMT
I saw a couple of those - there was a big guy whose wife did all the shopping cos he couldn't get off his derriere. I always wondered why the shopper doesn't just not buy junk food instead of keeping their other half/child fat/fatter.
Also think there should be a 'fat tax' on junk foods and stuff. There's massive tax on alcohol and cigarettes which aren't necessary items and more 'luxuries', so junk food should be the same.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 17:46:34 GMT
Did she pay for it privately or get it on the NHS ?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 18:30:16 GMT
Good to have a personal insight there CA, are there any threats to her health as a result of her eating though? I've heard that when the band fails it can be fatal, not sure where I heard that, I know its deffo not healthy to continue over eating once you've had the op.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 18:32:54 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Ko,
You don't need one do you :)

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 18:37:11 GMT
Probably - plastic surgeon was telling me about various weight loss things and said he wouldn't recommend stomach bypass, gastric band or stomach stapling to anyone as they're too dangerous. His recommendation was a surgery which removes 50-70% of the stomach lol

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 19:04:32 GMT
Pipkin says:
You and your Butterkist :)
I do tend to agree with you though... Some fat people are so because they are mentally impaired. I am sure of this. Because I dealt with one woman who was 24 stone, had a band and lost 12 stone, and looked appalling, becasue her stomach apron hung below her skirt.... I used to take her every week; if she was sober; to visit her daughter who was in care 30 miles away. We would end up in a restaurant, where she would order a full meal, while the daughter and I ate a kids portion. She would sit and force it down her neck and then spend the rest of the visit vomitting..... She was an alcoholic and died three years ago because of all the complications. Sadly just prior to retiring I did a goodbye visit for her 14 year old daughter and her child.. I had done these contacts for five years, and the mother was either incapable/or never had any intention of changing her ways or getting her children out of care. I remain convinced that this was a mental abheration but what else they could have done for her I don't know? As far as I know the authorities bent over backwards to accomodate her and rehoused her three times while I was with them, because the house kept burning down?
The most frightening thing is that she had three children, and every one of them was under the local authority wing. Her eldest son, age 21 was a drug pusher who also used, and had two children taken into care because of the neglect. He then became one of my cases, and I sat him down and spelled it all out to him, in capitals. He knew I had always been fair and supportive with his sisters and Mum and really worked at his lifestyle. The last I saw of him, he had settled down, changed his ways, and got the children back... I truly hope and pray that I did some good and this remains so; but have a niggling fear that genes will out.....
I agree with all those who say that there should be higher taxes on unhealthy foods, but I doubt it will deter people from eating them?
I also think there should be more investigation into Carbohydrate Intolerance?
Mags x

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 19:07:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 4 Jan 2013 15:34:05 GMT
Pipkin says:
Try cutting carbs Ko, swim and low weights/fast reps.... it worked for my Son and Daughter.. he's lost four stone now, she lost two stone in only three or four months, but as soon as she started eating carbs again, she started to put it back on.
Good luck hon.
Mx

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 19:34:14 GMT
Alcoholism is a terrible thing. Seen it first hand. My ex girlfriends mother was an alcoholic, wouldn't admit it mind, left a pan cooking all night whilst her daughter and I were asleep in the house. House fires caused by people cooking drunk is a big killer.
Macdonalds is addictive. I'm almost sure they put something in their product to get people hooked, its weird how you never 'fancy' a burger king, or a burger from the local chippy isn't it? Big macs though, I want one now just thinking about it.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2013 03:45:26 GMT
Molly Brown says:
Are we assuming that obese people tend to be on housing benefit, if they lose their benefits, they ultimately lose their homes. Are we assuming that most people on housing benefit might be potential Labour voters perhaps?

It seems Westminster City Council are up to their old tricks again?

"Homes for votes scandal"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

Posted on 4 Jan 2013 08:37:08 GMT
Spin says:
What next? Force anorexics to attend open buffet and bar sessions? Instead of benefits, give them vouchers for Dominos and McDonalds?

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2013 08:48:21 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Good old NHS.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2013 08:51:47 GMT
Rattanakosin says:
Great idea!! Why not cut the heating allowance for the old lady at No. 42 who has a new coat for winter as well??? I cannot understand why you folks want to kick each other when this government is doing such a good job already! Perhaps we can send the money saved to other countries to help them which is a policy Mr C will never consider reducing no matter how much we need it at home.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2013 08:54:59 GMT
Rattanakosin says:
Include HIV treatment for those in homosexual activities as well as treatment for malaria for those who had to cheek to go abroad on holiday!! Jesus Christ where have we put our desire to help one another.
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