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Initial post: 27 Nov 2012 21:32:06 GMT
Cos it is....four separate countries....as one....keep the Union...don't follow the nappy level path of Yugoslavia, USSR, Czechoslovakia etc.

Posted on 27 Nov 2012 22:07:08 GMT
Last edited by the author on 27 Nov 2012 23:40:27 GMT
kraka says:
As i am just passing this way (through life) all to briefly you will excuse me if i don't waste precious time on getting patriotic or political.

BESIDES SUCH A THING WOULD JUST RUIN MY HOLIDAY HERE.

Posted on 28 Nov 2012 20:55:06 GMT
guzzibob says:
Don`t you mean "why should we be proud of the UK?"....it`s a good question

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Nov 2012 21:23:50 GMT
kraka says:
Any country that claims dominion over another country does not deserve pride but urinating on

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Nov 2012 21:37:14 GMT
David Groom says:
kraka,

'Any country that claims dominion over another country does not deserve pride but urinating on '

Who's claiming dominion over whom?

Posted on 28 Nov 2012 21:43:30 GMT
Spin says:
Be proud of the UK. It is all you have left to defend your strange views.

Posted on 29 Nov 2012 11:01:51 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I felt a brief pang of national pride during the Olympics but, don't worry, I'm back to normal now.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 13:55:58 GMT
Dissident says:
The UK is an irrational illegal empire which occupies four separate countries (Scotland, Wales, England and Cornwall) and part of a fifth (North of Ireland). Yugoslavia, USSR, Czechoslovakia were similar illegal empires that the world is better of without. The UK was illegal in its construction and the sooner it is consigned to the dustbin of history the better. You can't just wipe out true nations like Scotland, Croatia or Ukraine.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 13:58:04 GMT
Dissident says:
The Olympics were a disgusting display of manufactured state sponsored and media contrived nationalism.

Posted on 29 Nov 2012 13:58:52 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Did you copy and paste that from a Student Grant comic strip?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 16:12:34 GMT
How old are you?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 16:16:11 GMT
David Groom says:
Dissident,

'The UK is an irrational illegal empire which occupies four separate countries (Scotland, Wales, England and Cornwall) and part of a fifth (North of Ireland).'

On what basis in law do you regard it as illegal? Why hasn't anybody noticed this and taken it through the courts - it would save Alec Salmond an awful lot of referendum bother if he could show that the Act of Union of 1707 was illegal.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 16:23:45 GMT
Spin says:
David: Legality, an artificial concept, has nothing to do with it. North Korea is "legal", Israel is "legal", The US is legal, etc all countries gained by force, not law. You will even claim our current conflicts are "legal" as if the law has anything to do with the reality of the situation on the ground. The act of Union was legal under English law and English sword. Gibralter and the Falkland Isles are british territory; under English law. If you value law so much, consider the laws and legal rights of others, not just the Monarchical parliament of England.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 17:10:17 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Nov 2012 17:13:12 GMT
kraka says:
Yes one has so much to feel proud about.

Don't we just love the way our youngsters are killing each other and the pleasure they derive from other criminal activities and how mature they are dealing drugs at school, popping their cherries and getting pregnant before they are old enough.
Then there are those many youngsters who find Britain so wonderful that they commit suicide.

As children are mostly a reflection of the family in which they were raised it can also be said to reflect the society also.

A garden that has healthy soil will grow healthy plants that grow strong and straight, unhealthy,polluted soil produces stunted unhealthy plants.

Children are like plants and reflect that which nurtures them.

All the above ills have appeared since the the latchkey kids of the 1960/1970s and continued to grow.

What a horrendous indictment against the politics that has created and engineered this greed ridden society.

I can still hear the ghostly voice of Blair "Not only will we fight crime, but the causes of crime" That is providing greed politics is not recognised as the real culprit.

I was born a human being, nationality was a label pegged on to me by others, an accident of birth, which has no relevance to me at all.

Pride often precedes a fall.

Many of our kids have fallen victims of politics....when is enough-enough

Am i proud of the UK.............?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 17:20:33 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Nov 2012 17:21:15 GMT
kraka says:
David do you really suppose the UK was established by fair means.

That Ireland, Wales and Scotland approached England cap in hand and politely requested to be a part of our country.

Yes or No

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 17:31:15 GMT
C. A. Small says:
What about when the various tribes of what are now Scotland, Ireland and Wales were forced to be a country- how far back do you want to go? Devolve Cornwall? Sussex? Force the Northern Irish to become part of Ireland? Split Wales up ??

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:02:07 GMT
David Groom says:
Spin,

'Legality, an artificial concept, has nothing to do with it.'

It has when somebody claims something is illegal!! By definition this implies adherance or otherwise to the law.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:05:13 GMT
David Groom says:
kraka,

'David do you really suppose the UK was established by fair means.'

Irrelevant to the legal status of the UK.

'That Ireland, Wales and Scotland approached England cap in hand and politely requested to be a part of our country.'

Debating the history of how a nation evolved is a sterile and pointless issue. We are where we are. And the current status of the UK is as a legal nation state. You might as well claim that the Norman invasion was illegal or that of the Romans.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:05:36 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Nov 2012 22:10:37 GMT
kraka says:
How about..............an example of, what if.

What if Germany had attacked England and won and we were left under the rule of Germany with out any chance of self rule or self determination. Many resent being deprived in this way and rightly so, the Basque country is an example.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:15:05 GMT
Pendragon says:
kraka

"like Scotland"

Really? Just a couple of thoughts:

Do you recall learning about James 1 of England? Do you recall anything significant about him in this context?

And how about the Union with England Act passed in 1707 by the Parliament of Scotland?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:23:41 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:33:33 GMT
kraka says:
David

I do not accept that wallpapering over history hides the truth and Britain is just as guilty as all those other nations and empires who have by devious politics and force of arms deprived smaller or weaker countries of what is rightfully theirs. I travelled around the world and the *British Empire* (sick) extensively and learnt first hand from the people of the Empire just what a disgusting and evil nation Britain was. You may see Britain patriotically through rose tinted glasses i do not.

You are right it's all been legalised but recognizing the truth of what has been done politically in the name of the English is never a sterile and pointless exercise.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Nov 2012 18:44:22 GMT
kraka says:
Pendragon hi

Yes.....I do now after reviewing my post realize the terrible bloomer i made in respect of Scotland, i should have said Wales and Ireland. but i am interested to hear what you would like to say in respect of Scotland.

Posted on 29 Nov 2012 20:35:53 GMT
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Posted on 29 Nov 2012 21:28:12 GMT
kraka says:
Simon

The past and present is all one thing, an endless ever changing dream expressed as a space/time continuum.......nothing that you should get too serious about.

As soon as it registers in your mind and whoof it's gone.
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