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Gibralter; A rock and a hard place...=)


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Initial post: 26 Nov 2013 20:08:27 GMT
Spin says:
Isn't it about time the UK gave Gibraltar back to Spain? The only interest the UK has in Gibraltar is military; a UK military zone at the entrance of the Mediterranean...And a means to distract the UK population from the real problems in life by exaggerating conflict with the Spanish...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:09:58 GMT
gille liath says:
The awkward thing, as I've said a zillion times before, is that Gibraltar doesn't *want* to be given back to Spain.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:13:23 GMT
Spin says:
Gille: It is not the choice of the Gibraltar tax-free millionaires living there, is it? It is a matter of Justice and morality.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:16:37 GMT
gille liath says:
Isn't it inconvenient when there's just no room left on the moral high ground...?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:18:26 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 20:18:46 GMT
Spin says:
Gille: You cannot send your troops into battle with the aim of securing thier independence, self-governance and territorial rights while denying those things to your neighbours.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:23:01 GMT
easytiger says:
What would you know about the history of Gibraltar? Sweet FA by the looks of it.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:29:08 GMT
Spin says:
easy: Obvioisly I know more about it than you do...

Posted on 26 Nov 2013 20:38:10 GMT
Spin says:
There is a myth that when the monkeys leave Gibraltar, the rock will be returned to Spain. The monkeys, greedy, conditioned by gain, are the British...

Posted on 26 Nov 2013 20:52:44 GMT
Spin: For what reason should the UK "give" Gibraltar to Spain ?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 20:58:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 20:59:20 GMT
Spin says:
Chief: Because its geographical position, like the Falklands, does not in any way secure UK territorial rights...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:11:20 GMT
So ... the UK should give Gibraltar to Spain, because Spain is closer ?
That's a pretty weak reason.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:13:48 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 21:14:08 GMT
The same reason that a person born on a piece of land becomes a national of that country. Proximity creates the label. Your own tomfoolery trips you up!

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:16:00 GMT
Spin says:
Chief: Do believe, America, India and Australia should be returned to British government?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:22:29 GMT
Hey Fount I thought you didn't believe in countries and nationalities ?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:32:38 GMT
he doesn't.....the fount simply pointed out a 'truth' that binds the lower level thinkers. Sorry to be Meta chief!

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:47:37 GMT
Sarky sorry.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:50:13 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 21:54:47 GMT
He's a free bird...never left the SE of Engerrrrland...physically...but in spirit he travels the Universe, well, up to Crouch End.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:50:37 GMT
David Groom says:
Spin,

'It is a matter of Justice and morality.'

What justice and morality? The rock became British under the terms of Treaty of Utrecht. Justice and morality says that the Spanish stop keep on trying to claim it and accept the legality of the treaty they signed up to.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:54:01 GMT
Oy! The being formerly know as THE FUNTY is now THE GOMSY...keep up lad.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 21:56:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 22:00:24 GMT
Spin says:
David: treaties formulated by those who benefit are "Just"? Isn't the treaty of Versailles, formulated by the victors and capitalist profiteers, the cause of Hitler's and his Nazis wrath ie; World War 2? And isn't the modern World in conflict due to the borders and treaties dictated by the victors who had no knowledge or care for justice except in terms of how such borders and treaties benefit them and them alone?

Posted on 26 Nov 2013 22:38:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 22:38:41 GMT
Spin says:
Of what actual "use" is Gibraltar to the UK, other than a statement of presence at the mouth of the Mediterranean? And, of course, a refuge for millionaires who donate a little bit of their income to the UK government...Tax-free and unrecorded, of course...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 22:59:13 GMT
David Groom says:
Spin,

'treaties formulated by those who benefit are "Just"?'

Treaties are what bring order to the world. Breaking treaties willy-nilly is a recipe for chaos and conflict the world over.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 23:00:49 GMT
David Groom says:
Spin,

'Of what actual "use" is Gibraltar to the UK, other than a statement of presence at the mouth of the Mediterranean?'

I'd have thought this was obvious. Whoever controls Gibraltar controls the mouth of the Med and in times of conflict that can be strategically vital. No government with an ounce of sense would give that away.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 23:08:18 GMT
Spin says:
David: Treaties defined by the powerful bring "order" to the world? Sure, -). That is why Iran is so evil, eh? It will not accept your governments claim that only the west can research and develop nuclear power... "Order", my left hairy nut. If anything, the West brings discord and conflict to independent, self-governing nations...All in the name of Capitalism....

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 23:15:40 GMT
David Groom says:
Spin,

Fact remains, in international law and in accordance with international treaties Gibraltar is British. Get used to it. Similarly the Falklands are British. Proximity to some other nation is irrelevant. On the basis of proximity, Morrocco 'owns' the Canaries and France the Channel Islands. Oh and if you want to argue this point, then Japan is Chinese. Try arguing that one and see where it gets you. Look at all these other situations and anybody can see that the proximity argument is fatally flawed.
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