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Anders Breivik starts studying at the University of Oslo


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Initial post: 1 Feb 2014 19:48:09 GMT
Kleist says:
Should a murderer be allowed the right to higher education?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 21:24:05 GMT
Last edited by the author on 1 Feb 2014 21:29:39 GMT
"Should a murderer be allowed the right to higher education? "

Why not?

Once a society starts tolerating perversion, where does it end? Teaching it to schoolchildren in a 'non-judgemental' manner seems to be the modern West's 'modus operandi' recently. Who knows, perhaps Anders Breivik will end up as popular with tomorrow's media, as Nelson Mandela was with today's?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 21:48:24 GMT
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Kleist says:
CWB: 'Once a society starts tolerating perversion, where does it end?'

Where does what end? Tolerance or perversion?

What perversion did you have in mind?

What has perversion got to do with mass murder or higher education?

Didn't Nelson Mandela lead a movement which liberated people from a perverse racist regime? And Breivik murder innocent people on the basis of a paranoid conspiracy theory?

What is this comparison supposed to indicate?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about or do you just post about your sexual and paranoid obsessions no matter what the topic?

Posted on 1 Feb 2014 23:43:52 GMT
Howzabouts convicted murderers be subjected to continual torment and torture by their jailers and, if they wished, the relations of their victims too?

No heating in prisons, bread and water diet, straw mattress on the floor, cold shower and squat latrine in the cell, no medical facilities, locked up 24/7 and no entertainment, let alone uni courses, allowed.

And put it all online for our entertainment, so we can see the retribution we have demanded in action and that prisoners are being punished continuously without mercy, and for our edification as a dire warning of the consequences of being naughty.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 23:49:59 GMT
Any sign that Breivik's popularity is rising in Norway?

Posted on 1 Feb 2014 23:55:28 GMT
Garscadden says:
Wasn't it education that turned Jimmy Boyle round?

Maybe all convicts should 'undergo' education. Short sentences for anyone who gets a masters?

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Posted on 2 Feb 2014 05:45:50 GMT
Should....a powerful lost performative. Should from whose perceptual position? Mine, his or the world at large. From my position its 70% no. From his, probably close to 100% yes....the world at large....well ....which world.....which group....????...fascists may think yes, Muslims may have another view....Christians may be split differently...each question requires the lazer. For a better world, we need better neuro linguistic semantics.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 08:21:02 GMT
Kleist says:
It was an ethical question Sime, so probably out of your ambit.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 08:32:43 GMT
Kleist says:
Hi Roma,

I'm largely in agreement with you. Though there seems a deep and perverse unfairness to the idea that a mass murderer be granted a privilege which many poor people are unable to take advantage of.

I know everybody makes mistakes and this is often down to lack of education and opportunity, but given the extremity and premeditation of the case it seems wrong to call it a mistake.

The justification that the University of Oslo gave was that he would be learning about democracy, liberalism, multiculturalism and so on, and thus be made to reflect upon the wrongness of his crimes. I have a high regard for education, but I do wonder if it has the power to enlighten a man like Breivik.

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 09:00:48 GMT
I wonder what Breivik's motivation is in choosing a political science course? He was diagnosed after his arrest with personality disorders - anti social and narcissistic. He has a grandiose self-image - had himself photographed wearing quasi military uniforms with fake medals, and posing in a Navy Seal type wet suit aiming a military assault rifle. During his killing spree he rang the police and said: 'Breivik. Commander. Organised in the anti-communist resistance movement against Islamasisation. Mission completed and will surrender to Delta Force.' He craves fame, admiration and status. Perhaps that's why he's chosen political science and not the history of Arctic reindeer herding, he believes it will give him a platform to argue his politics in public again.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 09:17:18 GMT
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Do you have a Navy Seal type wet suit?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 09:27:03 GMT
How's your Navy Seal training progressing?

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 09:47:03 GMT
Bradbury likens a mass-murdering Neo Nazi and racist to Nelson Mandela.

Another winner.

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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 13:22:44 GMT
Roma, <<I suspect education won't make much difference to Breivik>>, I suspect he believes it will give him the platform he wants to promote his views.

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Posted on 2 Feb 2014 15:30:35 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 15:40:53 GMT
Kleist says:
I don't think that he is in prison to be punished, I think he is in prison AS a punishment. If there is a way to make a man like that realise the depth of the evil that he committed then more to the good. But I seriously doubt that he will ever understand. His bigotry and hatred are deeply rooted and he would only use education to try and find a platform for his twisted and paranoid views.

As to a 'programs to change his lifestyle and mental focus in case he is released.' This seems pretty much the same thing as making him realise that he is deluded. But we know from these threads just how deep delusion and prejudice runs. Perhaps he is beyond education.

What struck me first of all was the apparent unfairness in the fact that a man like this is able to access the educational facilities of a prestigious university when many good but underprivileged people cannot.

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 15:55:26 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 16:09:27 GMT
Garscadden says:
I thought access to further education in Norway was fairly open. No tuition fees and a reasonably good government assistance programme. On the face of it it doesn't seem lack of funds *should* stop any Norwegian from attending university. (Obviously there are other reasons for disadvantaged kids not to attend university)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 16:11:51 GMT
Kleist says:
Hi Garscadden,

I didn't know that. But all the same...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 16:28:00 GMT
Kleist says:
MkM:

'Lenin and Hitler, among others, used the time to write books that clarified and hardened their negative anarchist philosophies. I wonder: if they had had access to courses like Political Science or World History, would they have still written those manifestos-for-harm?'

Lenin was not an anarchist, he was a Bolshevik Marxist, and held very positive (but in my view false) views of progress and history.

Nor was Hitler an anarchist. He had absolutely no desire to do away with the state. On the contrary; he wished to place the state in the highest position, and he did. He did not hold negative views on everything, he held that the Arian race were destined to rule. He did have very negative views of gypsies, Jews, the disabled, homosexuals and other minorities. But he certainly didn't hold these views on the basis of an anarchist ideology.

Lenin was already a University educated man who held a degree in Law and was generally well read. His views were formed in the light of the oppressive tsarist regime he lived under and the newly emerging ideas of socialism and Marxism. There was going to be a revolution in Russia whether Lenin lead it or not. Indeed there was, sometime (1905) before the Bolsheviks took power.

Hitler was not an educated man. He was a man full of bitterness and resentment, as Mien Kampf testifies. He tapped into a vein of similar resentment and fear running through the German psyche. As always fear and resentment was manifest as prejudice. Once you select minorities as inferior, degenerate or sick you are heading toward forms of brutality like Nazism. Mien Kampf would have been forgotten (it is badly written and not very interesting) if Hitler had not rose to power. And Mein Kampf played no significant part in that rise. Nazis are usually poorly educated and resentful people, not scholars.

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 16:44:24 GMT
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