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Initial post: 6 Feb 2014 12:27:09 GMT
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Posted on 6 Feb 2014 12:40:40 GMT
C. J. Taylor says:
I'm sure the rest of the world will rally round and offer aid / assistance ........................................ ????

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Posted on 6 Feb 2014 13:34:04 GMT
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Posted on 6 Feb 2014 13:49:57 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 14:35:08 GMT
Crass remarks Spinny. There's flooding in Wales and Scotland too. And the British (English included) are internationally recognised as giving generously to support disaster funds around the world.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 14:36:58 GMT
The inhabitants of England, you included.

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Posted on 6 Feb 2014 14:43:50 GMT
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Posted on 6 Feb 2014 14:46:28 GMT
Spin says:
Image: that is all that is important...As long as you help other nations, you can treat your own citizens like cr*p..

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 16:10:19 GMT
Apparently UKey gov is giving more than ever, currently nearly $14 bn a year, making #2 on list by absolute amount and #6 by % of GDP. Then there's private donations, UKey folk seem to be high on this league table too.

Posted on 6 Feb 2014 16:16:22 GMT
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Spin,

You're missing one very important fact. The flooding of the Somerset Levels is NOT a 'natural' disaster; it's a man-made disaster, deliberately engineered by the 'Green' fanatics within the Environmental Agency (by a determined refusal to dredge the Rivers Tone and Parrett) since they legally seized control of the drainage programme from the local farmers; whose personal responsibility had kept Somerset free from significant flooding for centuries. The concealed political/financial intention behind this deliberate act of State vandalism being to use the resultant 'natural disaster' to reinforce in the public mind the 'necessity' of yet further tax increases on fuel/power due to 'Global Warming'.

If you find it difficult to believe that those controlling today's 'British' Government Dept's are abusing their political power so badly, listen to Ian Liddell-Grainger, the Tory MP for Bridgwater, who said, quote:- "This is not a freak act of nature, it is unforgivable negligence." Alternatively, you can simply purchase a mainstream newspaper and read what journalists who live in the affected areas are saying.

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Somerset floods: this is a man-made disaster - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk Topics Weather
30 Jan 2014 - Floods here on the Somerset Levels are normally really good fun. The sun comes out and we go sailing over our fields and my eldest daughter ...

Somerset Levels: There's nothing 'natural' about this man-made ...
www.telegraph.co.uk Earth Environment
25 Jan 2014 - A man drives his vintage tractor through flood water in the Somerset village of Thorney ... Somerset floods: this is a man-made disaster.

News for Dredging will ease flooding in Somerset ...
Environment Agency Boss Regrets Flood Response Sky News - 2 days ago
The head of the Environment Agency admits to Sky that his ... his insistence that dredging of rivers in the Somerset Levels was not a complete solution. ... the Parrett and Tone rivers will be dredged to help ease water levels ...

Dredging will ease flooding in Somerset Levels, admits Environment ...
Telegraph.co.uk-by Claire Carter-28 Jan 2014
The head of the Environment Agency has admitted dredging is likely to go ahead in the Somerset Levels to prevent further flooding, amid ...

'Somerset flooding was EU plan all along' | Central Somerset Gazette
www.centralsomersetgazette.co.uk/Somerset-flooding-EU.../story.html
2 days ago - THE EUROPEAN UNION intended for the Somerset Levels to flood, ... (or agencies) who contributed to this disaster are entirely invisible. .... of Somerset a routine occurrence, not so much man-made as made by government.

Somerset floods: this is a man-made disaster By Anna Tyzack 12:43PM GMT 30 Jan 2014

Somerset apple farmer Julian Temperley is one of the thousands whose homes and livelihoods have been damaged by the deluge

Floods here on the Somerset Levels are normally really good fun. The sun comes out and we go sailing over our fields and my eldest daughter Alice [Temperley, the designer] will take some pictures of a girl in a canoe wearing one of her dresses. We happen to run our business, The Somerset Cider Brandy company, in a part of Somerset that is low lying, so we're prepared for flooding. The water arrives, then quickly disappears and no damage is done because we have systems in place to control it. But there is nothing fun about this current flood, which came on New Year's Day and has stuck around ever since.

The Environment Agency has been widely reported as saying it's a freak occurrence. Not a chance. This is a man-made ecological disaster. The River Parrett, which runs through the Levels, is blocked and badly needs dredging. I'm not sure people realise that this is not just a theory being discussed in the papers, it's a fact. It's what is actually happening. The river at Bridgwater is 10ft below its banks, while five miles upstream it is overflowing.

If I don't dig out the ditches on my land all hell breaks loose. I lose my single farm payment and receive a fine. But the Environment Agency won't dig out its blasted river and so my ditches have nowhere to drain. As a result we have 50 acres of land under six feet of water - it would take more than 30 years for it to evaporate naturally. Thankfully I've managed to salvage most of the cider and cider brandy in our barns but I've lost some of my orchards and in Thorney House, our family home where my 98-year-old father lives, the flood water comes half way up my wellies. A few weeks ago it was covering the furniture. My father, who is deeply upset about the situation, is staying with my aunt in Worcestershire while we rent him a house. It's a big upheaval for a man of his age.

Dredging will ease flooding in Somerset Levels, admits Environment Agency boss By Claire Carter 9:39AM GMT 28 Jan 2014

Lord Smith, the chairman of the Environment Agency, has admitted dredging is likely to be part of the plan to reclaim flooded land in the Somerset Levels amid claims not enough has been done to protect homes and farmland

Critics claim the action is too late and if rivers near the Somerset Levels had been dredged before the storms started, flood plains could have taken hours rather than weeks to drain

The head of the Environment Agency has admitted dredging is likely to go ahead in the Somerset Levels to prevent further flooding, amid claims the region has become a "disaster area" due to decades of under-investment.

Lord Smith, chairman of the agency, said that it is "quite possible" dredging will form part of the recovery plan to drain large swathes of land in the south west, but he insisted this was "not a wholesale solution."

However, critics claim the action is too late and if rivers near the Somerset Levels had been dredged before the storms started, flood plains could have taken hours rather than weeks to drain causing less damage to homes, land and wildlife.

Jean Venables, chief executive of the Association of Drainage Authorities, said it was "very, very urgent" that rivers in the area are dredged to prevent more damage to homes, livelihoods and wildlife.

"It's a disaster area down there and it could have been avoided if we had actually kept up with maintenance on the rivers," she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"We've got a 20-year backlog of inactivity down there and it is actually very, very urgent that those rivers are dredged.

"We've got to invest in these areas. At the moment, the way in which the models work to prioritise the money for investment, it doesn't go to these areas and it hasn't done for the last 20 years.

"So we have really got to think very carefully about how we are going to play catch-up."

Properly-maintained flood plains would "drain away within a matter of days and then be ready for the next flood," she said, warning that the extreme deluges were in line with climate-change projections.

An area the size of 40 miles square (65km) of land in the Somerset Levels has been flooded since the storms began at Christmas, causing damage to homes, decimating farmland and leaving some communities completely cut off.

Around 20,000 acres of farmland has been under water for a month and dozens of homes are still uninhabitable. Muchelney is reachable only by boat and the nearby village of Thorney has been abandoned.

Owen Paterson, Secretary of State for the Environment, met angry farmers and residents in Somerset on Monday who criticised the lack of proper flood prevention measures, as he ackowledged the area needs careful management.

Lord Smith told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Dredging would probably make a small difference, but it's not the comprehensive answer that some people claim.

"The Somerset Levels are a completely unique landscape and that requires unique answers."

He said there are 62 pumps clearing the Somerset Levels of water at the moment but that saving lives and homes would always take priority over farmland.

Lord Smith welcomed a request by the Secretary of State for the Environment Agency, local authorities and the drainage authorities to get together to produce a plan in the next six weeks for long term protection of the land.

He also defended the agency which he said had had "brick bats thrown" at them in recent weeks over flooding, despite staff working day and night throughout Christmas to try and help people affected by the floods.

Agency teams continue to operate pumps 24 hours a day to drain an estimated 1.5 million tonnes of water (equivalent to 600 Olympic-sized swimming pools) off an area of the Levels spanning 25 square miles.

Ian Liddell-Grainger, the Tory MP for Bridgwater, has criticised the agency for not doing the `big jobs' of dredging rivers so that farmers and residents can maintain them.

He said: "This is not a freak act of nature, it is unforgivable negligence."

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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 16:28:57 GMT
So that includes all the French and Russians now living in London? Roman Abramovitch?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 16:30:23 GMT
eric rambler says:
And the rain hasn't helped.

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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 16:38:44 GMT
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That's arguable Spin.

This was not incompetence/neglect. The dredging required was deliberately NOT done by Lord Smith's Environmental Agency, in full knowledge of what the inevitable consequences would be.

But WHY would such senior political apparatchiks deliberately do such things?

Because they are fanatics who hate/despise not just everything England and the English people stand for; but everything Europe/Europeans and the white Christian West stands for. If we (as Europeans) do not remove these vampires from our societies throat, they will destroy us all. If you think that sounds rather extremist, read this Wikipedia summary of Lord Smith's career. Quote:-

Chris Smith, Baron Smith of Finsbury From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Early life

Chris Smith was born in Barnet, London, and educated at George Watson's College in Edinburgh and Pembroke College, Cambridge. At the latter he gained a first class honours degree in English, and a PhD with a thesis on Coleridge and Wordsworth.[4] He attended Harvard University as a Kennedy Scholar,[4] and was president of the Cambridge Union Society.

Member of Parliament

He worked for a housing charity and became a councillor in the London Borough of Islington before narrowly winning the seat of Islington South & Finsbury at the 1983 General election, defeating George Cunningham. Cunningham stood against him a second time at the 1987 General election when Smith again defeated him.[5]

In 1984 he became Britain's first gay MP to choose to "come out". There had been several gay MPs before this whose homosexuality had been common knowledge in some circles, including their constituents in some cases, but they had not been completely open about it. (Maureen Colquhoun and Jeremy Thorpe had earlier effectively been "outed" by press revelations about their personal lives, and both lost their seats at the next general election, although it is moot whether their homosexuality led to this.) During a rally in Rugby, Warwickshire, against a possible ban on gay employees by the town council, he began his speech: "Good afternoon, I'm Chris Smith, I'm the Labour MP for Islington South and Finsbury. I'm gay, and so for that matter are about a hundred other members of the House of Commons, but they won't tell you openly."[6] He immediately received a standing ovation from most of the audience.

He became an opposition whip in 1986, a shadow Treasury minister from 1987 to 1992, and shadowed the environment, heritage, pensions and health portfolios between 1992 and 1997.

Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport

In 1997 he was appointed to Tony Blair's Cabinet as the first Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. As a Minister known to have a close connection with the arts scene in Britain his time at DCMS is generally regarded as a success as many projects funded through the National Lottery came to fruition. There were controversies most notably his approval during his first week as minister of the appointment of Mary Allen to the Royal Opera House in which case a Select Committee report found that he had exceeded his authority and failed in not seeking advice from his Permanent Secretary. In 2000 he managed to secure a tax rebate that enabled many museums to give free admission. He held this position throughout the Labour government's first term, but was sacked and returned to the back benches after the 2001 election, replaced by the up-and-coming Tessa Jowell. Tony Blair later hinted at his regret at losing Smith's services, particularly his strong relationship with the arts world.

Appointment to the House of Lords

After over 20 years in Parliament, Smith stepped down from the House of Commons at the 2005 general election. It was announced on 30 April 2005 that he was to be created a life peer, and the title was gazetted on 22 June 2005 as Baron Smith of Finsbury, in the London Borough of Islington.[7]

Retirement from politics

Smith was appointed Chair of the London Cultural Consortium (the successor body to the Cultural Strategy Group) by London Mayor Ken Livingstone, and served from 2005 to 2008.

He was one of the founding directors of the Clore Leadership Programme, an initiative aimed at helping to train and develop new leaders of Britain's cultural sector.[8][9] He is also currently a board member of the Royal National Theatre and Chairman of the Wordsworth Trust.[citation needed] In November 2006, he was appointed as Chairman of The Advertising Standards Authority.[citation needed] Smith is a keen mountaineer and was the first MP to climb all the 3,000 ft "Munros" in Scotland;[10] in April 2004 he was elected as the Ramblers' Association President.[11] He is a patron of London-based HIV charity, The Food Chain.[citation needed]

On 30 January 2005, Smith revealed to the Sunday Times that he had HIV and was first diagnosed in 1987.[3] He stated that he had decided to go public following Nelson Mandela's announcement of his son's death from AIDS.[2]

On 8 May 2008, he was announced as the new Chairman of the Environment Agency and took up the new role in mid July.[12] In an interview with The Independent in August that year, he said Britain faced hard choices over which coasts to defend and which to leave to the sea because it would not be possible to save all coastal homes from sea erosion.[13] Lord Smith was re-appointed as Chair of the Environment Agency for a further three years by Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman in 2011. Lord Smith, will now continue in this role until 13 July 2014. On re-appointment he received 100,813 pro rata for 2011/12, based on working three days per week.[14]

Personal life

In 2005, Smith entered a civil partnership with Dorian Jabri, his partner since 1987. The couple separated amicably in 2012.[15]

References

1. "Lord Smith of Finsbury". Parliament of the United Kingdom.
2. a b "Former minister is HIV positive". BBC News Online. 30 January 2005. Retrieved 28 September 2008.
3. a b Why this is the time to break my HIV silence, Chris Smith writing in The Sunday Times, 30 January 2005
4. a b [1], Environment Agency. "Rt Hon Lord Smith of Finsbury, Chairman." Retrieved 2 August 2013.
5. According to Election Demon, in 1983 Smith got 13 460 votes to Cunningham's 13 097, in 1987 the respective totals were 16 511 to 15 706
6. Campbell, Dennis (30 January 2005). "The pioneer who changed gay lives". The Observer. Retrieved 28 September 2008.
7. http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/25312
8. http://www.cloreleadership.org/library.php
9. http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/aboutus/organisation/38747.aspx
10. Scottish Mountaineering Club
11. Pyke, Nicholas; Lacey, Hester (25 April 2004). "Rambling Tsar comes to the aid of Madonna". The Independent on Sunday (Independent News & Media). Retrieved 28 September 2008.
12. Gerrard, Neil (9 May 2008). "Chris Smith becomes new Environment Agency chairman". Contract Journal. Reed Business Information Limited. Retrieved 28 September 2008.
13. Morris, Nigel (18 August 2008). "Stark warning on Britain's shrinking coast". The Independent (Independent News & Media). Retrieved 28 September 2008.
14. "Re-appointments to the Environment Agency". Defra. Retrieved 5 March 2013.
15. Kay, Richard (26 November 2012). [2], "Gay pioneer's heartbreak: Lord Smith splits from partner of 25 years." Mail Online. Retrieved 2 August 2013.

Posted on 6 Feb 2014 16:45:16 GMT
eric rambler says:
We used to get floods but they built some houses and the builder dredged the river and built a new footpath, it's fine now.

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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2014 18:27:36 GMT
If you wish.

It includes you without doubt and all others born in England.

Posted on 6 Feb 2014 18:43:52 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Call me old fashioned if you like, but I am rather upset for any folk who have had their home flooded, small businesses ruined, transport links disrupted and loved ones lost
And I don't give a (deleted by Amazon) where the (deleted by Amazon) they come from either. So (deleted by Amazon) that line of argument.
So if we have all the mess tided up, infrastructure repaired, people re-housed first and then we can all have tremendous fun saying who's fault it was, why, when. (be it the sudden influx Bulgarians causing the country to tip sideways, the fault of the EU by creating paper mountains and thus unsettling the climate, a plot by the CIA to cause the Oil Price to rocket or ......... fill in the blank)
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