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More Muslim Child Abusers Caught in Rochdale

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Initial post: 19 Dec 2012 23:09:55 GMT
Yet again more Muslim Child Groomers have been arrested in Rochdale.

Chola Chansa, 32, of Illminster, Rochdale, has been charged with two counts of sexual activity with a child under 16.
Ali Asghar Hussain Shah, 39, of Lyefield Walk, Rochdale, has been charged with sexual activity and inciting sexual activity with a child under 16.
Anjam Masood, 30, of Marne Crescent, Rochdale, has been charged with sexual activity and inciting sexual activity with a child under 16.
Asrar Haider, 38, of Chamber House Drive, Castleton, Rochdale, has been charged with sexual activity and inciting sexual activity with a child under 16.
Abdul Huk, 36, of Ouldfield Close, Rochdale, has been charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
Mohammed Rafiq, 31, of Allington, Freehold, Rochdale, has been charged with sexual activity and inciting sexual activity with a child under 16.
Mohammed Ali, 27, of Exbury, Rochdale, has been charged with sexual activity with a child under 16. (R)

Posted on 20 Dec 2012 01:26:08 GMT
Molly Brown says:

"The jailing of two members of a Cornish paedophile ring who ritualistically sexually abused young girls echoed the partly unsolved murder of "witch" Peter Solheim.

Last week at Truro Crown Court Jack Kemp, 69, and Peter Petrauske, 72, were jailed for 14 and 18 years respectively for crimes dating back to the 1970s.

​Jailed for 18 years: Peter Petrauske. In court, Solheim was named by victims as part of Petrauske's paedophile ring

​Found mutilated: Peter Solheim

​Jailed for 20 years: Margaret James

​Jailed for 14 years: Jack Kemp

During the case Peter Solheim was named by victims as part of the paedophile ring. The court heard men indulged their sick fantasies wearing hooded robes and terrified their young victims with daggers.

But it was not the first time the name Peter Solheim had been uttered in the same breath as child sex attacks and witchcraft.

Six years ago in the same court room at Truro in front of the same judge his name was at the centre of a sensational trial.

Solheim's lover Margaret James was accused and convicted of playing a leading role in his grisly murder.

James was charged after the 56-year-old former parish councillor's drugged, mutilated corpse was found floating in seas off the Cornish coastline.

While James was found guilty of conspiracy to murder and jailed for 20 years, the other plotters have never been unmasked and remain at large today.

Last night a police spokesman said: "The investigation into Peter Solheim's murder has never been closed.

"Officers from this particular case have worked closely with officers investigating his death to ensure any potentially relevant new evidence is reviewed.

"We continue to urge anyone who may have new information regarding Mr Solheim's death to come forward to the police."

During James' trial in the summer of 2006 a grim picture of Solheim was revealed.

Paul Dunkels, QC, defending James, outlined to the jury Mr Solheim's obsession with witchcraft and sex.

And he had been accused of being a paedophile by members of the local community at Carnkie, near Helston where he lived.

Indeed unknown hands had sent him hate mail for his unsavoury appetite for young children, argued the defence team.

On three occasions Mr Dunkels applied for a bad character application to show the darker side of Solheim's nature.

When a judge allows such an application the jury may hear a person's previous convictions or "reprehensible behaviour" as evidence.

The QC's strategy was to persuade the jury that because the dead man's behaviour was so questionable anyone could have hatched the murder plot and eventual slaying.

Judge Graham Cottle eventually granted the application.

Mr Dunkels argued: "We say Peter Solheim was a man with the propensity to commit sexual offences against children, to trade in illegal firearms and to engage in black magic and satanic rituals. This provides anyone with a motive for harming him which ends up with him being dead."

Details of Mr Solheim's sordid existence were laid bare including his dealing in hard-core pornography by copying videos before selling them on - his attic was described as an "occult laboratory".

It included recipes for potions designed to seduce women and dozens of books of witchcraft.

During Kemp and Petrauske's trial, defence witness Eleanor Watson shone a light on Mr Solheim's warped nature when she described him as being on the "dark side".

She told the court she became friendly with Petrauske when he attended a wicca ceremony at her home in St Ives in the middle 1990s.

Mrs Watson said ceremonies were held throughout the year at different locations, in gardens, and woods and on the beaches.

She said: "They never involved nakedness or robes and hoods, and only on very rare occasions do children attend.

"I did write a pagan play for them to perform in my garden.

"Peter Solheim attended a couple of meetings before he fell out with me and I told him he was not allowed to attend any more.

"He was on the dark side," she added.

As well as Peter Solheim, another figure loomed large during the Crown Court trial in the shape of convicted paedophile Stanley Pirie.

He was a friend and neighbour of Kemp's and faced a trial of his own in 2005 at Truro Crown Court.

The jury returned unanimous verdicts on a list of sexual offences and he was jailed for 12 years.

Victims of Pirie's depravity were to go on and give evidence of the vile abuse they had also suffered at the hands of Kemp and Petrauske."

Next outrageous, and non racist news reports please. Let's try and keep this thing balanced if we can.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 07:51:46 GMT
why must you state their religion? why can you not just see these sick men for who they are, evil peadophiles that deserve all that is coming to them?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 08:32:51 GMT
C. A. Small says:
They define themselves as muslim- it is therefore perfectly valid.

Islamic abuse of women is part of the culture of islam, one (but not the only) reason I loathe it.

Posted on 20 Dec 2012 10:32:18 GMT
Roma says:
Such hatred! Islam is a religion not a culture.. Muslims belong to many different cultures among which some interpret the Koran to support their belief in the inferiority of women. Some people from all religions and none will seek to validate their behaviour.., by whatever means possible. Abuse must be stopped. Vilifying an entire religious group will do nothing to achieve that. I know many Muslim men who naturally and instinctively, as well as instructed to do so by the Koran, treat their wives and daughters with the utmost respect.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 10:55:45 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Whilst by no means wishing to tar all Muslims with the same brush, I do think that if a certain Muslim community in a certain area has a problem then it should be tackled head on and not swept under the carpet. And there do seem to be a lot of cases of this in one area. Ducking the issue leads to racism and resentment because people think that a certain section of society is getting favourable treatment. I appreciate it's hard to have an open and sensible debate about this sort of thing though, given so many will have an agenda to push.

Posted on 20 Dec 2012 11:11:23 GMT
a certain section of society IS getting "special treatment". can you guess which one it is yet?

Posted on 20 Dec 2012 11:12:41 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Child rapists?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 12:48:09 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Roma- Islam is both religion and culture. And on both aspects bad.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 13:43:30 GMT
Although I have a rather particular dislike for the mentioned religion and openly admit to having a prejudice against muslims, this kind of rant annoys me because its kids who are suffering NOT ONLY at the hands of these muslims, but seemingly at the hands of a staggering amout of adults (not exclusively muslims). It seems this country has a widespread problem. Have you not heard of some of the cases of catholic priests abusing young boys? I didn't see your post in respect of that, why is that? What about the harrowing case of that nursery in Jersey was it? Guernsey perhaps? White non-muslim people behind those crimes, again, where is your thread in respect of that?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 13:45:39 GMT
Dan, this problem seems to be linked with 30 odd year old blokes not exclusively muslim communities.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 13:51:45 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Yeah, it's a complicated issue for sure, it's certainly not something that is purely down to their religion.

Posted on 20 Dec 2012 14:02:35 GMT
So what is the problem? Why are there so many cases of child abuse dominating the media?

1/ More media coverage
2/ More general 'interest' in the topic
3/ More kids speaking out
4/ Seen as a worse act now than it was 30-40- years ago
5/ Detection methods have advanced considerably
6/ (most worrying) Appearence of young females - When I was back at school, I got in my first ever bar aged 17. My sister got into her first bar age 14 and admits to lying about her age on many occasions. All it takes is for one underage girl to put on her mothers make-up, pop to the local bar, sleep with a guy she convinced she was age of consent - then BANG - next day squeels rape - that man will get demonised by the media, locked up and branded a peadophile. I'm sure it will have happened before, I'm sure it will happen again.
To top it off, I personally know a girl of 14 who had her first child aged 12 with a boy of a younger age (how the hell right?). She is STILL under age - honestly - I'd mistake her for 30 odd, shes taller than me, has an older face (obviously shes been through alot) alot of kids, particularly girls, look much older than they actually are.
Its dodgy when the female is like.... how do I describe this.... developed? Everyone hits puberty at different times. When the child who was abused was under the age of 9/10ish then it becomes obvious that they are under age.
IMO, its always been a problem, just was swept under the rug more in the past.
As Dan states, its a massively complex topic and theres no clear solution. Child abuse in my eyes is unmistakeably young kids being abused, a 15 year old girl who has slept with a man over the age of consent is not really that big a deal - unless she didnt consent to it. I'm not condoning anything here, I'd ask for ID before I wap my sausage out anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 16:58:58 GMT
Roma says:
Hi CA Small
Would you settle for one religion, many cultures.?.The abuse these young people suffered was horrendous. Absolutely, the perpetrators are responsible. However.where such systematic abuse of children exists . then these children have sadly been already let down by so many others in their lives. It tends to be lives that are already blighted who become easy targets for the depraved. Lets hope that the victims receive all the support they so need.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 17:04:19 GMT
C. A. Small says:
That sounds fair.

Posted on 20 Dec 2012 17:21:17 GMT
They're a bit late grooming kids in Rochdale - Cyril Smith is dead now....

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Dec 2012 22:50:32 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Dan,
According to Historical Catcher... the problem is being tackled head on, and hasn't been swept under the carpet... Unlike Paedophilia in high places?

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 15:19:43 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 15:22:11 GMT
Dan Fante says:
How come these stories are in the news and the perpetrators are being prosecuted then?

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Posted on 16 Jan 2013 15:54:56 GMT
Dan Fante says:
This story was big news though. I don't think there's much evidence to back up what you're saying to be honest.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 15:54:57 GMT
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Posted on 16 Jan 2013 23:27:43 GMT
The idea of blaming all those of the Islamic faith for paedophilia is plainly illogical. Not all paedophiles are Muslim. Not all Muslims are paedophiles. So this argument thread is plain nonsense.

However, it is reasonable to say that there is an evident cultural problem with males from the Pakistani/Bangladeshi communities who view girls (and some boys) as not worth respect because they are simply: British; white; poor; and not Muslim. This is not a recent problem. This has been known about for 20 years or more. Pakistani gangs grooming white British children who they then pimp around their community is a problem that has been brushed under the political correctness carpet despite the campaigning of Ann Cryer MP and many others. It is not racist to face up to this in light of the number of trials of Pakistani/Bangladeshi paedophiles - Rochdale, Rotherham, Bradford and Oxford are only the tip of this iceberg. The real question to be addressed has to be: what is it in their background that makes them behave in this way? Refer:

Posted on 17 Jan 2013 15:43:27 GMT
Spin says:
It is the sexual freedoms in western society which influence some immigrants from sexually repressed societies. The availability of porn, of all sorts, coupled with the loose sexual morality of the west, is to blame for quite a number of sexual crimes...Like a schoolboy discovering "Payboy" for the first time, the immigrant will indulge himself. It is fact that many UK citizens visit the near-orient (Bangkok and Phu-ket being the most notorious) simply to engage in sexual activities not allowed here...It is capitalist society, preying on the desires of citizens, that creates crime.

Posted on 17 Jan 2013 22:26:44 GMT
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