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Initial post: 16 Jun 2014 12:50:49 BDT
Pipkin says:
>>>Tony Blair has urged western governments to recognise that they need to take an active role in the Middle East, saying the west should consider military options short of sending ground troops.

The former prime minister said there was a huge range of options available, including air strikes and drones as used in Libya.

Blair was speaking on UK morning TV shows after writing a lengthy essay setting out how to respond to the Iraq crisis, including his belief that the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was not the cause of the country's implosion.

He said: "It is in our interests for this jihadist extremist group to be stopped in its tracks. I understand entirely why people say 'it is nothing to do with us and I don't want to hear about it'."

But he said the jihadis "are not simply fighting Iraqis and they are also willing to fight us and they will if we don't stop them".

"It is vitally important that we realise what is at stake here and act. We are going to have to engage with it or the consequences will come back on us as we see in Syria today.

"The best policy for us to realise that whatever form of intervention we choose is going to be difficult but it's better than the alternative.You do not need to engage as we did in Afghanistan or Iraq, but we do have interests in this."

Pointing out that as many people had been killed in Syria as in the whole of Iraq since 2003, Blair said he would have supported military intervention in Syria some time ago, and suggested that there may have to be accommodation with President Assad.

His remarks drew criticism from Labour's former international development secretary Clare Short, who accused Blair of behaving like an American neocon, adding he had been consistently "wrong, wrong, wrong about Iraq".

She said western interventions created more tension, anger and bitterness in the Middle East, adding the invasion of Iraq "was done in such a deceitful way and with a lack of preparation for what was going to happen afterwards".

Short said the extremist views coming out of the Middle East came from the Sunni community which was being financed by Saudi Arabia, a friend of the west and Tony Blair.

She said: "More bombing will not solve it, it will just exacerbate it".

In a passionate essay published on his website, Blair said it was a "bizarre" reading of the situation to argue that the US-British invasion of Iraq had allowed the growth of Sunni jihadist groups such as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis), whose fighters have swept through towns and cities north and west of Baghdad over the past week.

"We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that 'we' have caused this. We haven't. We can argue as to whether our policies at points have helped or not: and whether action or inaction is the best policy. But the fundamental cause of the crisis lies within the region not outside it.

"We have to put aside the differences of the past and act now to save the future," says Blair, adding that force may be necessary. "Where the extremists are fighting, they have to be countered hard, with force."

His intervention came as the Pentagon said that the US defence secretary, Chuck Hagel, had dispatched the aircraft carrier USS George HW Bush and two guided missile ships into the Gulf as a precautionary measure.<<<

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/15/tony-blair-west-intervene-iraq-isis-military-options#start-of-comments

>>>Let's bet it won't be one of his children sent to fight. They're too busy working for American investment banks, like their father. Tony Blair will go down in history as one of the least patriotic Prime Ministers in history, working for the US in office and thereafter; placing precious little value on our soldiers lives or those of the civilians caught in the crossfire; selling out our interests to his own ambition and egotism in Washington and Brussels; inviting millions to immigrate to the UK at the expense of the wages of the very people who elected him.<<<

>>>Former prime minister Tony Blair took to the media yesterday to make the case for a tough response to the extremist insurgency - arguing that it was caused by a failure to deal with the Syria crisis, not the invasion by US and British forces 11 years ago.

His remarks sparked a furious reaction from London Mayor Boris Johnson, who accused the ex-Labour leader of being "unhinged" and having sent UK forces into the bloody conflict in part to gain personal "grandeur".
In his Daily Telegraph column, Tory Mr Johnson said that, by refusing to accept that the war was "a tragic mistake", "Blair is now undermining the very cause he advocates: the possibility of serious and effective intervention".
"Somebody needs to get on to Tony Blair and tell him to put a sock in it, or at least to accept the reality of the disaster he helped to engender. Then he might be worth hearing," Mr Johnson concluded.<<<

Posted on 16 Jun 2014 13:24:13 BDT
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The opportunity to kill more jihadis is one our government should not pass up. We must confront Islamic fundamentalism with main force wherever it is practicable to do so .

Posted on 16 Jun 2014 15:38:34 BDT
"Blair said it was a "bizarre" reading of the situation to argue that the US-British invasion of Iraq had allowed the growth of Sunni jihadist groups"

Bizarre. lol riiiight. It's spot on, it's entirely the West's fault. Went into Iraq under false pretences, toppled a dictator who kept these people under control, put in some puppet government and swan off into the sunset with the oil dollars sticking out their back pocket. All while leaving even more violence, death, hatred and radicalism in their wake. Saddam Hussein's government was far from perfect and many people lost their lives or were imprisoned while he was in office, but the devestation in the country since caused by a failed western intervention vastly outweighs those losses imo. That is of course if 'they' did really fail in their mission, who knows what their intentions were considering the world now knows that the WMD scare was a farce.

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In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2014 17:34:19 BDT
Oil prices rocketted because of the invasion of Iraq. Western oil company profits increased by 50% at the start of the war - you know that whole, supply and demand deal, whereby a reduced market of oil meant they could increase their prices.
Several US companies, along with others, were issued oil contracts for post-war Iraq. Up until recently, the US was making well over $1billion a year from oil revenue from Iraq. When the profits weren't enough due to the government contracts, Exxon even sidelined the Iraqi government, who are supposed to be involved in all deals, to make a deal with the non-existant state of Kurdistan to develop 6 new oil and gas blocks to further increase their profits.
Besides which, why do you only decide to select the US ?? I didn't say it was just them. All the nations involved in both the conflict and in carving up the oil fields post-invasion have profitted. Of course they have, the oil revenue previously went to the Iraqi government; now it ends up in foreign wallets.
And no, not "all the oil contracts have gone to the Chinese" Gordon; the Chinese BUY the most oil from Iraq at the moment (about half of all oil produced), but as yet do not own 'all the contracts'.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2014 19:15:48 BDT
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Islamic fundamentalism preceded the Prime Ministership of Blair, Gordon. Jihadism underwent a renaissance in the 1980's, but has roots stretching back hundreds of years. Britain has had to confront jihadis before, famously at the Battle of Omdurman in 1898, where 11,000 of the Mahdi' jihadis were killed for the loss of 48 British troops. But even had Blair 'created' the jihadis we would still have to deal with them.

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