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The "war" on drugs - what is the right response?

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Initial post: 25 Jul 2012 10:52:11 BDT
Ken Clarke says the war is what should our response be?

Posted on 25 Jul 2012 10:55:41 BDT
richard says:

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 11:06:51 BDT
Define please richard. What do you mean by the word education?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 11:35:31 BDT
richard says:
that's the trouble with a poor education :-)

what i mean is educate people about drugs with the whole truth not just an anti (some)drug position. realise that a lot of the drug related problems are caused by there being no quality control, in other words if a dealer wants to mix a drug with vim or drain cleaner then that's what the drug user ends up with. many health problems for heroin users come from injecting the rubbish dealers cut Heroin with not the drug itself as well as users of a number of drugs not knowing the strength of a particular buy.

if illegal drugs can not be kept out of society then they should come under governmental control (foods and fisheries, i think it is) where quality control and pricing can be set as well as more realistic societal usage information gathered.

illegal drugs can not be kept out of society and existing in the 'underworld' of society can be attractive to vulnerable youths. apart from that society already has huge problems with legal drugs, tobacco, alcohol and a mountain of prescription drugs. the aim can not be to eradicate drugs from society but to educate people to use them responsibly and to accept that some people will abuse drugs they might need help but not need criminalising.

education has to be based around various drugs being part of our society and how best to understand the implications of that and for people to appreciate their use and abuse.

Posted on 25 Jul 2012 11:40:43 BDT
I think the trouble with putting drugs under governmental control would be that they'd take the proverbial with pricing. They'd charge a stupid amount and then tax, and it'll prob be cheaper for the user to continue using a dealer opposed to, say, a cafe or doctor.


In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 12:06:19 BDT
richard says:
i can see that as an argument but then tell me that dealers don't take the proverbial with pricing, quality and quantity! the only way to get rid of the illegal dealers is to keep prices low as well as the benefit of knowing what you're taking and getting a 'fair' deal.

legalising drugs has to be about getting rid of the criminal supply of drugs rather than trying to make a buck.

Bath Salts (apparently just a street name and not use in the bath salts) are a good example of youths taking just about anything that will get them high because they can get hold of it via legal ingredients. same with glue and solvent cleaners etc. i would argue that these kids are driven to these completely mad highs because they either can't get hold of some more reasonable drugs or because it's still legal to be in possession of it.

we can try to educate people not to take drugs but know damn well that some of them still will. better then for them to have a choice of something that will not literally eat into their brain.

Posted on 25 Jul 2012 12:34:19 BDT
Your concept of education...

What information will you impart that people don't know?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 12:36:12 BDT
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How do you "educate" people not to take drugs? What would happen in this education process?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 13:35:14 BDT

<<war is lost>>

Whose war and who's fighting it? I think its all constructed.

<<what should OUR response be?>>

No idea.

My response is: why the fuss? Drugs (the illegal kind) are no different to alcohol and the ones GPs handout like sweeties. Well they are different: they are illegal. No problem, they could be made legal at the stroke of a key so to speak.

I don't see a problem. Let people use what drugs they choose (if any), at their own expense and so long as they don't harm others.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 13:36:29 BDT
richard says:
sorry, is there any evidence that educating people to not take drugs has worked? as i said, we can try to educate people not to take drugs but some will anyway especially if we concentrate on the illegal drugs and forget about all the dangers from prescription ones. the numbers of binge drinkers testify to the legal drug abuse that happens every weekend around England with the drug available just about everywhere. one can educate on the dangers of drug use and abuse but i don't think one can educate to eradicate drug use.

education to stop people from taking drugs has at best been of limited success and it used to be done, as far as i know, from a position of trying to instil fear in young people. i expect things have moved on a bit now though. i know that ex addicts are sometimes used to inform youths of drug dangers but i don't know details. at the moment of course, illegal drug education has to deal not only with the consequences of taking the drug but of dealing with a criminal underworld as well. many dangers can come from the criminal dealings as well as from the drug use itself.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 13:39:47 BDT
Legalize marijuana immediately. It's time for the Martini and Valium crowd to quit oppressing the pot smokers.

Posted on 25 Jul 2012 13:40:31 BDT
hungryYOSHI says:
Personally, I believe it is down to the user to educate themselves on drugs. Education ages 12-18 is very important, and that is where the focus should be. Most certainly the anti drugs is not very useful at all. Particularly when you find out there were approx 40-50 million prescriptions for anti depressants drugs last year. Children seem to be protected from these figures. And yes i am aware these figures mean nothing without knowing how long the prescriptions continued and so forth. It would be nice if the information was actually monitored. As there is no exact record of what is given out.

It was a bit of a shock to me when i found out half of the work force is zonked out on these things. Once argument is that there is not enough support available. The other is that medical diagnosis is improving. The reality is molly coddling peoples personal problems with subbed prescriptions just builds a mindset that you don't have to cope because your entitled to block it out indefinitely. Someone who spent 7 years in education over 20-30 years ago or should not mean they can prescribe these things as they please. Personally 9 for a months supply (30 caps) The knock of versions/anologues of these can be picked up in powder online for 10 per 1000 doses/tablet equivelants.

I believe this is a bigger problem that needs to be addressed

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 13:54:44 BDT
richard says:
it almost seems that keeping the emphasis on illegal drugs detracts from the problems of legal ones!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 14:49:54 BDT keep using the word education but either won't or can't explain the process you would use.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 14:50:35 BDT old do you want me to be?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 15:34:46 BDT
Gnomeless, <<how old do you want me to be?>>

I don't want you to be anything. I have never given any thought to what I want you to be.

Are you losing it?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 15:50:42 BDT
You posted "grow up" on another thread...that usually means age....or do you mean height?

Posted on 25 Jul 2012 16:01:35 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jul 2012 16:01:51 BDT
hungryYOSHI says:
I suppose yes Richard i do agree with you. First step would be NHS staff available to talk to people. its a month wait before you will even be seen.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 16:26:21 BDT
Simon, good point. I should have said, 'suggestion Simon, stop writing things like "let's get 'em". But I don't, 'want' you do whatever you like, so long don't cost me or stop me from exercising me bloomin' humin rights.

Posted on 25 Jul 2012 16:36:11 BDT
Sorry beloved...

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 16:52:54 BDT
richard says:
are you unaware of educational processes already in place to educate people within society? schooling, socialization, advertising, laws etc.

maybe if you did something to reveal your thinking on this subject i would have a better understanding of how to answer you. you must be considering processes so what processes are you thinking about?

also i have not stated that i had a plan all laid out for this drug education and my original response to the OP was 'Education?' not 'i have these great processes all worked out for drug education'!

i believe that education should promote understanding and understanding is important if we as a society are to accommodate drugs within it sensibly. should i become minister for drug education i will no doubt consider processes by which to educate society but i doubt that will be anything more than the processes already in place for education.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 17:10:20 BDT
Simon, just had another thought (saw his name and it popped into me 'ed):

What does this bloomin' Ken Clarke know? I thought he was just a jolly, fat, scruffy bloke, red face, red wine, brown(not blue)suede shoes.

"Oh well, says Simon, Ken Clarke said that we've lost the war on drugs", 'Ooooh errr missus, it must be bad, what's to be done, is this the end of civilisation as we know it?'

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 17:15:29 BDT
richard says:
war on drugs, war on terror, war on poverty, let me know when there's a war on corrupt bankers and politicians!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 17:34:20 BDT
I am aware of schools...What do you mean by socialisation? I think adverts have been tried. What sort of adverts would you use? How are laws part of education?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2012 17:35:28 BDT
Isn't Ken some kind of government figure involved with crime?
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