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North Korea has the dear leader, UK has the dear royals....


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Initial post: 25 Jul 2013 19:37:21 BDT
The cult of personality is alive and well in both countries. Why do we not see our own hypocrisy?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2013 20:44:57 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jul 2013 21:07:12 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: I would not call an admiration for the members of the Windsor Family to be a "cult of personality"; the royals have no personalities. They are clones of each other. =) The only royal with a hint of personality is Phillip, and only because he is as thick as two planks...=)

Posted on 25 Jul 2013 21:00:38 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jul 2013 21:02:08 BDT
Wikidickie says, "A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and, at times god-like public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise."

Now then, does that fit UKey Dear Royals and/or NK's Dear Leader?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2013 21:51:24 BDT
Both....

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2013 22:25:48 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Simon "THE FOUNT" Boyd says:

The cult of personality is alive and well in both countries. Why do we not see our own hypocrisy?'

Simon, good question. Because people, as individuals or groups or as nations, are very very quick to point out someone else's hypocrisy and double standards and corruption, but very loath to examine their own. There is a little hypocrisy in us all I think. Let them without sin cast the first stone springs to mind. Look at the arguments raging between the EDL and the extremist Muslims, quick to attack and vilify each other's prejudices and nastiness, but blind to their own extremism and hate. Et voila, such is life Old Sport.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2013 22:42:15 BDT
Agreed, Oh Dear Leader.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 01:18:58 BDT
There's a big difference.

In the UK, the royals are slebs much like any other slebs. They have plenty of wealth and a modicum of influence, but very little actual power. You can worship them if you like, or you can ignore them completely. You can even mock them in print or suggest that they ought to give up their privileges. You can do a David Icke and suggest that the Queen is actually an alien lizard wearing a clever disguise. The worst that will happen is that your knighthood will be delayed in the post.

In North Korea, Kim Jong-un has absolute power, and worship of the three generations of the Kim family is compulsory, with any sign of demurral being apt to get you sent to a concentration camp.

It's the difference between a liberal society and a very illiberal one.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 08:53:44 BDT
Excellent point.

Posted on 26 Jul 2013 08:55:36 BDT
Simon, What do you say to PPP's point there is a difference: in UKeyland you have a choice?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 10:26:58 BDT
That he misses the point of the thread. It is about the people's reactions to those they think are "higher" than them...this thread is about the "herd" NOT the leaders. Keep up!

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 13:50:19 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Jul 2013 13:51:27 BDT
Now then, this thread like all threads is about what those who post say it is, so shut it.

However, as it 'appens I've been thinking, ooooh errr, about this, as I did my ALDI shop, and it occurred to me that you may (just) have a point wee man.

PPP says we, in our fine UKeydonkeyland, are free to take 'em or leave 'em, free to decide for ourselves. Now I watched hours of propaganda on the so called 'news' about the joyous coming of Prince Georgie, and there weren't much opportunity to make yer mind up based on impartial reporting. I read the Sun on Tuesday...the first 11 pages were devoted to the wondrous event and there was a 12 page pull out too.

Us donkey folk in the 'free' world are bombarded with propaganda 24/7. It's more subtle and sophisticated than they serve up in NK, and dissidents are not sent to gulags but it's propaganda all the same and arguably more effective for being a bit more subtle.

Most of us are not free to decide.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 14:30:35 BDT
Beloved...a fine, fine post...well done Sir!!

Posted on 26 Jul 2013 15:44:49 BDT
The Prince Georgie was brought into the street and shown off to the hysterical media and mob One woman, she was black, is said to have cried 'he's (the baby) beautiful, he's black', now that sounds a bit like the antics of folk in Pyongyang Square who believe that The Dear Leader doesn't poo.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 19:43:18 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: well, lets not start sucking each others **** just yet...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 19:47:39 BDT
Oh dear Spinnaker you've blown off in company again.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 20:02:08 BDT
Spin says:
Gordon: just because you care about what strangers think does not mean I do...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 20:55:38 BDT
What are you on about?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 21:01:53 BDT
Spin says:
Gordon: QED. =)

Posted on 27 Jul 2013 15:44:39 BDT
The Queen has done a brilliant job of making an iconic figure of herself, mainly by the very subtle method of using the corgis. Of course she already has the trappings of the monarchy, but they set her apart from previous Kings or Queens. Hardly anyone else seems to keep the breed, as they seem to have a rather uncertain temperament, but also fortunately not to have much of a pack tendency.

Posted on 27 Jul 2013 15:51:30 BDT
It's been said that the Corgis have been known to nip at the ankles of visiting foreign dignitaries, but on the other hand anyone who claimed to have been set upon by a pack of corgis I think the claim would not be credible somehow.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jul 2013 17:51:45 BDT
I live in the UK too, and I didn't see any of the TV coverage or read any of the news coverage. I did read a couple of sentences of opinion by a columnist on a news website, but I found it insufficiently interesting to bother reading the whole article. I also heard a few minutes of radio coverage - maybe 15 mins in all.

So, though coverage of such events may seem like a barrage, it is possible to avoid it it if you want to. Thing is, a lot of people don't want to, and the reason the media do this overkill is that they know large numbers of people will watch, listen and read.

Also, it's not government propaganda. The media by-and-large reflect popular sentiment, which fluctuates over time. Perhaps you remember that popular feeling about the monarchy sank was at a low ebb during the 1990s, and has been more positive recently.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jul 2013 18:44:47 BDT
So you weren't watching the 'news' during those frenetic days, which means you didn't see the disproportionate coverage. All other news disappeared almost. Did you see any newspapers on Tuesday?

Of course it's possible to avoid the coverage, but that doesn't mean it's not propaganda.

Do you have any evidence that most people wanted the amount and manner of coverage press and TV gave the birth? (You didn't see any of it of course, so you're in no position to comment on whether it was disproportionate.) No doubt a lot did like it, but most???? I can't offer evidence but I'd say most found it OTT and at times a bit unpleasant.

So are you saying the media don't shape opinion, that they just respond to people, giving them what they demand?

True, popular feeling about the monarchy sank during the marital affairs and break ups. However they improved their PR (propaganda) and now all is well.

Posted on 27 Jul 2013 20:20:23 BDT
It's possible that the media misjudged it this time, and gave too much coverage, but if so, that's the media's fault, and nothing to do with the royal family or the government. However, the media know from experience that when they do this blanket coverage of royal events, they sell extra copies of their newspapers, see high viewing figures. This is why they do it, and it is how we know that this stuff is popular.

As for shaping opinion, the media can shape opinion to an extent, but the media do not all speak with one voice (e.g., the Telegraph and the Guardian are very different - the latter leaning strongly towards republicanism), and if they deviate too far from popular sentiment, they will lose audience. For commercial TV channels, newspapers, etc., that can lead to bankruptcy.

Meanwhile, the Royal Family themselves don't produce a lot of propaganda. They turn up for events and traditional ceremonies smartly attired, follow protocol, smile and wave, and generally maintain their dignity in public. This seems to be sufficient to keep 80% of the public on-side. By contrast, the Kim family, who control all the media as well as the education system, constantly feed the North Korean public with misleading stories about themselves, including bizarre tales of superhuman exploits, such as the tale of Kim Jong-il scoring eleven holes-in-one in a single round of golf.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jul 2013 13:15:05 BDT
Oh yes in the West all are truly free, self actualising, wide awake: and the 'news' is the news, pure and true, nothing but.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jul 2013 13:27:09 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Jul 2013 17:13:29 BDT
TomC says:
"the tale of Kim Jong-il scoring eleven holes-in-one in a single round of golf. "

That's a disappointing performance from the Leader, but once he has given orders to ensure that the appropriate disciplinary action is taken, I am sure his score will improve.
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