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Initial post: 28 Sep 2013 15:20:40 BDT
http://news.yahoo.com/krokodil-flesh-rotting-drug-comes-u-153400389.html

KROKODIL - THE FLESH ROTTING DRUG
"The drug, officially known as Desomorphine, is a concoction made by cooking codeine with other ingredients like red phosphorous - the stuff match strike pads are made of."

We've come a long way since the CIA learned how to cook up cocaine into "crack."

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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 16:34:52 BDT
What, eh,....um....oh....erm....yes....erh..no...erh....don't know.

Posted on 28 Sep 2013 17:43:22 BDT
Stupid question, but - What's a designer drug compared to any other drug ?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 20:19:56 BDT
Spin says:
Chief: Having no experience of drugs of course (ahem!) I believe designer drugs to be man-made chemicals; drugs that are manufactured and not found in nature (Grass, coke, heroin etc are derived from naturally occurring plants). Designer drugs come in various compositions and each is "designed" to produce a specific effect. Because they are untested, unregulated artificial chemical compounds they are extremely hazardous.

Posted on 28 Sep 2013 21:08:03 BDT
Spin says:
If you want to get high, buy a natural drug, not a chemical created in an underground lab.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 21:21:38 BDT
Garscadden says:
In the case of Desomorphine the design parameter that really counts is cost. As low as it can be. It's not really 'designer' in the sense of either Haute Couture or German engineering.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 21:24:57 BDT
Spin says:
Gars: I would not know. My days of drug-use are far behind me. The nearest I now come to Designer drugs is in my favourite drama "Breaking Bad" =)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 21:31:07 BDT
He was in Kojak.

Posted on 28 Sep 2013 22:06:20 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 22:50:03 BDT
Spin says:
Marilyn; the only natural "high" worth pursuing is the orgasm =)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2013 23:09:50 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Marilyn K. Martin says:

http://news.yahoo.com/krokodil-flesh-rotting-drug-comes-u-153400389.html

KROKODIL - THE FLESH ROTTING DRUG
"The drug, officially known as Desomorphine, is a concoction made by cooking codeine with other ingredients like red phosphorous - the stuff match strike pads are made of."'

Dear goodness, saw a doc on that in Russia. Unbelievable, I mean to put something like that in your body that will rot it. The world has always been mad and it just seems to get madder. But what's new?

Posted on 29 Sep 2013 00:14:12 BDT
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Spin -
LOL! True. But young people especially love their "sequential highs" from a horror movie. And there's absolutely zero chance of an accidental pregnancy. (^,..,^)

T.S.C. -
More people than you think try to "escape reality" thru drugs. I read somewhere that even Elvis had a PDR (Physician's Desk Reference of prescription drugs). He'd read about the effects of a drug, and have his personal physician prescribe it for him. So he was a pill-popper, and it may have contributed to his increasingly bizarre behavior on stage - as well as his fatal heart attack.

And I've known people who would take absolutely anything for a "rush" (intense but fleeting "high".) I knew one who got a Vick's Inhalant, and swallowed the gooey thing inside for a "rush." I've even read recently about models who swallow cotton balls dipped in juice to keep the hunger pangs in check. (Which may not be an addictive substance, but certainly indicates "addictive thinking" about staying abnormally thin.)

Posted on 29 Sep 2013 15:22:36 BDT
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-krokodil-heroin-arizona-20130927,0,7644763.story

KROKODIL, MORE PERILOUS THAN HEROIN, POSSIBLY SURFACES IN ARIZONA
"Krokodil is essentially a back-alley version of desmorphine, which was introduced in 1932 as a less addictive version of morphine...It can be made with ordinary ingredients, including paint thinner, codeine, iodine, hydrochloric acid, red phosphorus, gasoline and lighter fluid."

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 17:44:47 BDT
T. S. C. says:
Marilyn, I think many people use something to escape reality one way or the other; who could blame them at the moment?!

Posted on 29 Sep 2013 18:34:47 BDT
Marilyn

I believe you are having a joke with us. Are you sure you are not making this up - but don't get Schnappi with me for saying it though, will you?

Caroline

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 19:27:41 BDT
The government already banned the less harmful ones. Thanks theresa may, for banning the relatively safe legal highs so that untested lethal ones are used to replace them. Good work.

Posted on 29 Sep 2013 19:32:26 BDT
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T.S.C. -

Quality relaxation time and enough REM sleep are imperative for everyone. Like many, I enjoy a few cocktails in the evenings while watching TV to de-compress from the day. Lots of others find relaxation in surfing the Internet for fun, online discussion or chat-rooms, or playing videogames.

But if your "relaxation" turns into 24/7 cravings for mind-altering substances, then you are way beyond "escaping reality". You are an addict who can no longer cope with a rational daily routine, and your thoughts have been consumed by the next hit. You have really "escaped" into a far worse "reality" in your own drug-addled mind, where finding and consuming the next "hit" squeeze out all other thoughts.

C.E. -

No, I'm not making this up, and I'm not "having a joke". If you'd read my OP and later posts, my thinking is that "designer drugs" anymore are "designed" to kill and destroy - and you'd probably find the "designer" buried deep in an Intel Agency Black Operation.

The CIA has experimented with the effects of "mind altering substances" on people - many times without their permission or knowledge. And I've already posted links to Amazon books on how the CIA "created" crack from powder cocaine, and experimented in the heavily Black neighborhoods of Oakland, California.

I don't follow any of the New World sub-topics - except for the Bilderberg Group, since I think the manipulative global elitists are among the members. But one theme of the NWO I keep coming across, is a need to "cleanse" the planet and/or decimate the population down to one million or so.

The flip side to drug addiction, is that some very smart people can be addicted and yet maintain a daily job and routine. But they are very vulnerable to manipulators that supply their drugs, and can easily be exploited to do things they never would do if they weren't addicted. So drug addicts are both "useful" and "expendable" to the more evil levels of society.

Designer Drugs; Dangers for the Youth with Ecstasy and Others...

What better way to commit "no trail murder" than with illegal drugs. And designer drugs appeal to both long-time addicts, always looking for a new, intense "high", and young people who are quick to respond to the "Try it, you'll like it!" mantra due to peer or party pressure.

Drug addiction involves a large criminal element (from cartels to mobsters to street gangs), and the end "user" (or his/her family) are usually dependent on some form of expensive social services. It doesn't take a leap of logic to figure out that any diabolical "population cleansing" would target people involved with illegal drugs, from the top of the supply chain to the users.

Posted on 29 Sep 2013 19:57:45 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 19:59:46 BDT
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Sorry, it was a rather tasteless joke on my part about the song 'Schnappi das kleine krokodil'. It made the hit parade in parts of Europe, though not the UK and evidently not the US either.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 20:05:09 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Marilyn K. Martin says:

T.S.C. -

Quality relaxation time and enough REM sleep are imperative for everyone. Like many, I enjoy a few cocktails in the evenings while watching TV to de-compress from the day. Lots of others find relaxation in surfing the Internet for fun, online discussion or chat-rooms, or playing videogames.

But if your "relaxation" turns into 24/7 cravings for mind-altering substances, then you are way beyond "escaping reality". You are an addict who can no longer cope with a rational daily routine, and your thoughts have been consumed by the next hit. You have really "escaped" into a far worse "reality" in your own drug-addled mind, where finding and consuming the next "hit" squeeze out all other thoughts.'

Marilyn, I agree completely about the necessity for good sleep, because if you don't get good sleep for any reason, you will suddenly realise how badly it can affect you. And though I do surf the Net, and am on the PC for many hours a day due to things I am doing and want to do, I find that sometimes this stresses me out. It stresses me out when I am on too much, and it stresses me out when I am not on. That can be a problem as well. Likewise, I used to have a few choice British ales in the mid-week and then I would have a bottle of good red wine over the weekend to de-stress a bit. On the wagon now and on a diet, but it was all in moderation.

Anything which becomes an addiction or an overwhelming obsession is a problem, whatever it might be, be it alcoholism, gambling, pornography, smoking joint after joint and so many other things because it puts you out of balance. And then to add to this, some things can be enjoyed moderately like alcohol or the occasional rich food, but some things can't. I would say pornography fits into that category. I personally do not like being drunk, stoned or spending hours and hours on a PC game because I just don't; in the past I may have done them all, once or twice! But, as you get older, you get a little wiser, even if it's only after the fact! But isn't that the same for most of us hey?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 20:51:31 BDT
Stick to RODI water and you'll be OK.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 21:00:31 BDT
Erm....erh........urg.....

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 21:03:35 BDT
...Ooooh, reads like you are gulping it...try lots of small sips...steady.

RODI is drug free Dear.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 21:05:29 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Sep 2013 21:09:52 BDT
(M)e(L) says:
Another one from Shaw: 'Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.'

(tailor made I'd say)
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