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In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 14:54:39 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 16:35:04 BDT
Ah <<incontrovertible proof>> well there's no such thing. However for all practical purposes you'll be pleased to know that science has got pretty close to <<incontrovertible proof>> with DNA - DNA mutation - e.g. development of antibiotic resistance in bacteria.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 16:37:10 BDT
2. Oh NO...it's not 'no' just because you say so dearie.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 16:46:56 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:11:48 BDT
Charlieost says:
No Dexter. Enoch Powell was wrong with his "rivers of blood" speech. Taking the recent riots in London, there is no evidence of "black" kids predominating over their "white" counterparts at the trials following the disturbances. Powell was refering to the riots in America, (Watts being an example) and pushing his own agenda to suggest it could happen in the UK. He was a little Englander and so are you. C

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:13:33 BDT
Garscadden says:
The link I posted actually goes through cockroaches developing a more complex tasting mechanism. Basically - previously glucose would fire one taste receptor, now it fires two - by definition that is more complex.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:17:26 BDT
Charlieost says:
Oh Spin. I'll have to quote you here "Without the Qu'ran, there would be no "Arabic" or "Muslim" culture." So there would be no Arabia would there Spin? And books have been written on the rise of religion or belief within culture to reflect the thinking of those in power within that culture. If not Islam it would have been something similar. Name me a culture without a belief in some sort of deity or afterlife or something beyond that which they see.

You can't can you? C

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:21:10 BDT
So having two teeth makes a more 'complex' mouth than a single tooth...tee hee!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:23:52 BDT
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Garscadden says:
Having two hearts would be as simple as having one...tee hee!

[EDIT - sorry, I forgot the idiotic ! that was present in the initial idiotic response]

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:25:18 BDT
Spin says:
Charliost: I am not talking of geographical areas but of cultures. The near orient, Arabia, had no unified culture or tradition until Mohamed came along and "recited" the Qu'ran. The area did not even have a unified language. And Mecca was simply a shrine used by various and varied tribal religions. The Qu'ran was the single, and only, unifying force.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:26:56 BDT
Numbers do not infer complexity...the mind does...wake up...smell the 'reality' coffee...not your pince nez nonsense.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:32:06 BDT
Garscadden says:
It isn't the fact that two of something are present, it is the support systems to enable two two differing responses at the same time. The cockroaches already had both receptors, the more complex part is that they have evolved to fire both in response to glucose.

It seems the nonsense is purely from you.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:45:52 BDT
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Charlieost says:
Ok Spin. I see where you are coming from on that one now. Thanks for the clarifying further post. C

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:48:17 BDT
I don't agree with that. We're not allowed to say that the people who bumped off Col. Gadhafi were motivated by a desire to hurt, even though it was written all over their faces on the video footage. But when the boot is on the other foot, suddenly it has to be a desire to attack rather than to make a point.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:52:15 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:53:18 BDT
C.E.Statham - Excellent point!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:56:31 BDT
Anita says:
Following the same logic you are as complex as any single-celled organism. But then, maybe you are

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:57:41 BDT
Garscadden says:
You seem accomplished at making completely irrelevant comments.

So - do you really think that an organism evolving to fire multiple receptors in response to one stimulus is not more complex than one receptor to one stimulus?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 17:59:25 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 18:03:28 BDT
Garscadden says:
More irrelevant comments. Ignore the cockroaches if you really are anti- anything that challenges your world view, and answer the question.

Do you really think that an organism evolving to fire multiple receptors in response to one stimulus is not more complex than one receptor to one stimulus?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 18:11:22 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 18:17:23 BDT
It was stated in some of the reports that Gadhafi, as a man of sixty years I think, was bleeding from every orifice - nose, ears, eyes. It wasn't nice!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 18:23:36 BDT
Garscadden says:
Spin - it just so happens that i am involved in the design of systems.

If the requirement is "in 2 years we will need to sense two things, but next month we need to sense one", my recommendation would be to not build in two sensors, but to seek a design where the initial implementation doesn't make it hard for us to add a sensor in the future. Adding two initially is a cost in time and money that is wasteful.

As to the fact that evolution can tend towards simplicity, yes, I would assume that to be the case - systems that are simple tend to be 'better' than those that are complex. BUT short term complexity, as in firing two receptors in order to avoid poison, is not against this principle. Over time one would imagine that the receptor will adapt to simplicity. Just as a short term change may involve a more complex solution, but we try and implement a simpler one over time.

In this case for the cockroach it is a life or death situation, the short term fix is an absolute advantage. With that advantage then evolutionary pressure should be on the simple solution as it is more efficient. In the life/death situation however efficiency isn't the primary constraint.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 18:33:13 BDT
Spin says:
Garscadden: But in the case of the cockroaches, the evolution of a receptor is an artificial, man-made circumstance. By introducing complexity to the environment of the cockroach one is artificially stimulating an selective process. The "complexity" of the evolution of an extra receptor is based on the complexity of environment introduced by scientists, not nature. So the experiment is not representative of a natural process; the "complexity" is a response to an unnatural complexity, so to speak, and is in fact the simplest way selection could deal with that introduced complexity.
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