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Thatcher's been dead for at least an hour and no thread yet?


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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 10:31:41 BDT
Dan Fante says:
I don't see them losing the next election, personally. I think another hung Parliament could be on the cards though. If Labour weren't sleepwalking towards the next election with Ed Milliband as leader then I could see a different outcome.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 10:51:50 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Gordon. Yes I remember the Socialist Workers Party. I think there was a We Want to Party Party in the nineties introduced to stand against flobber faces draconion legislation re the rave scene.

What a bunch of killjoys that lot was. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 10:55:13 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 10:57:52 BDT
RABB says:
"many younger voters don't identify with the blue rinse brigade and old dogs that make up that party."

"Thatcher has become synonymous with greed and a self serving attitude"

Being a young voter myself an attitude of greed and looking after number one is more than prevalent amongst my peers.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 10:57:55 BDT
Charlieost says:
Ah Helen. You come acrosss someone who reads that weird book that my daughter refuses to touch in school because she is a feminist and she reckons the bible is a misogynist pile of tripe. Having pushed it of the end of her desk with her ruler several times the religion teacher just does not put it on her desk now. As she gets straight A's in all her other subjects except woodwork, (she got a B), I am not to bothered.

Paul. Interesting bloke but just another spreader of botheration in the end. Bit like Thatcher I suppose. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 10:59:51 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:01:28 BDT
Charlieost says:
Absolutely Dan. I lived in the UK during a lot of the seventies and there was no shortage of work. Everyone seemed a lot happier than I presume from the newspapers and friends still in contact they are now. The music in the charts was pretty awful though. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:03:41 BDT
Dan Fante says:
You may well be right. I just have a "feeling" about it if I'm being honest. I see YouGov estimate that an election held tomorrow would give Labour a 110 seat majority.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:07:15 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi again Dan. Also read with interest Russel Brand's article in the Guardian supp. having read other stuff by him, (not I hasten to add, The Bookie Wookie). In my Memory, even the so called Winter of Discontent was no big deal. Most of the fuss about it was in the rightwing press. I was working in Manchester at the time in the kitchen of a restaurant and the manager just made his own arrangements to dispose of our trash. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:15:51 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Gordon. Norman Tebbit. Nasty prejudiced hateful little man. Pity the lads did not blow a cricket ball sized lump out of his head and it was a damn shame that they missed her. When people like that get into power there is no possible talking to or negotiating with them. The conflict in the North was prolonged by her policies and had no hope of ending while she was in power. It would have been just the same had Tebbit (spit) taken over. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:20:56 BDT
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Dan Fante says:
Yes, the overwhelming polemic of the supporters of Thatcher seems to be, in the wake of her death, that she saved the country from the absolutely dreadful state the country was in in the 70s. Yet they seem to also be a little short on details regarding how that decade was so bad. I also note that they seem to be concentrating on how few pits she closed relative to her predecessors. I would say that the pit closures, whilst symbolic are a side issue anyway in relation to all the other things she did and her legacy in general. I was talking to a friend about the mines though and, with his being older than me and able to remember it more, he pointed out that the mines that were closed before Thatcher were usually dangerous and/or unworkable beyond reasonable subsidy. He argued that Thatcher closed some down out of spite and cited the case of Westoe (he's from South Shields) which (according to him) had the biggest untouched and accessible coal field in Europe when it was closed down.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:21:30 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Brian. Fully agree. That sort of thing is a sickening sight. We have the Labour Party in power here in a coilition with Fine Gael. Clunking along fairly agreeably. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:22:30 BDT
Dan Fante says:
And even he admitted the pit closures went too far
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2009/mar/09/tebbit-mining-communities

Posted on 11 Apr 2013 11:30:11 BDT
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Molly Brown says:
Glenda Jackson excoriates Thatcherism!
i.e. See: castigate , censure , condemn , denounce , deprecate , disapprove , lash , reproach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvAkE67370I

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:33:13 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:34:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 Apr 2013 11:37:42 BDT
RABB says:
Live in a Tory safe seat surrounded by many other Tory safe seats despite being left-leaning myself, but I've lived in a few places and most people my age are only concerned with themselves in my opinion. There are plenty of exceptions to the rule but then actually it doesn't matter because your average chavvy scumbag probably isn't capable of ticking a box on a voting form, let alone be inclined to do so.

EDIT: On the subject of the funeral, I think in principal someone who implemented so much privatisation, whether it was ultimately good for the country or not, shouldn't really have a state-funded funeral.

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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 11:55:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 Apr 2013 11:59:04 BDT
Molly Brown says:
I actually remember Churchill's funeral, really, I was very young though. Most people generally respected Churchill for saving this country from the Nazi's. Thatcher did not save this country, she invaded it, with Facism and Libertarianism. Social Darwinism. Something Hitler failed to do to this country.

Unfortunately, we will not be celebrating the end of that facism on Wednesday, only the increasing growth of it. Thatcher will never die until we, the majority of people who never voted for her, destroy what she created. Having a State Funeral for her next week, is designed to divide the country even more. It could be regarded as incitement to riot, or sedition, and that is still classed as treason I believe?

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/#Violent

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Posted on 11 Apr 2013 12:09:56 BDT
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RABB says:
As ever people are free to disagree with me as I'll quite happily admit to being a bit of a middle class snob in a lot of ways.

Posted on 11 Apr 2013 12:33:22 BDT
RABB says:
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Damn.

Hopefully you saw it in time Brian because I can't be bothered typing it again.

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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 13:00:17 BDT
RABB says:
Well in summary, your overly agressive yob with a massive chip on their shoulder and no respect for anyone, no ambition, and no intention of bettering themselves.

I don't think it has anything to do with social standing either. I grew up in the middle class and saw plenty of people drift towards that lifestyle, and I know plenty of people with difficult childhoods who've ended up being amongst the most pleasant I know, as well as working hard to give themselves a better lot in life.

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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 13:41:31 BDT
RABB says:
My post has nothing to with Uni. I myself have been unable to go for a number of reasons that I won't go into.

I do get what you're saying and it's hard to put across what I mean. I guess I just think there's a large amount of apathy among certain sections of the community, where instead of asking what you can do and what is achievable, focus on what you can't do apportion blame for that on other people. That attitude I've found is most prevalent among what you would call chavs.

Fortunately I've had a fairly comfortable life so far, not to say my parents handed me anything on a platter, but we've never really struggled for anything, most things I've wanted that I don't need I've had to earn since I was 14, and at the moment I'm living by myself on a grand a month but I still don't consider myself to be having a bad time, things could be better, sure, but only I can change that. There are however large amounts of people who would instead prefer to wallow in self pity and blame whatever they can be it immigrants, the government, their parents, whoever as long as people understand it's not their fault.

But now I'm just rambling on and on and drifting ever off topic.
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