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The UK should just accept the inevitable and embrace Islam


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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:11:19 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:18:26 BDT
Spin says:
CE; I was under the impression that female circumcision was performed to remove the ability of sexual pleasure. But, of course, genital mutilation is not a subject I care to study or dwell upon! =) The few thoughts I have on the subject concern my belief that by removing the protective skin of the genitalia, one makes the genitals less sensitive to inadvertent or unintentional sexual arousal. A means of controlling sexual activity and, indeed, thought.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:19:09 BDT
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TomC says:
The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt appears not to share your view. ""'Circumcision' is ordered by Allah, Sharia [Islamic religious law] from Allah. Orders from Allah must be realised," says Sheikh Yussef al-Badri, a cleric who has repeatedly petitioned the country's courts to make female genital mutilation legal again."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22975400

"Not that I'm going to get into a frenzy over the equivalent of cutting the foreskin anyway. "
No, it isn't the equivalent of cutting away the foreskin. Since it usually involves removal of the clitoris, cutting away the penis would be a more accurate parallel. Do you believe it is right to inflict such a procedure on a young girl?

Posted on 21 Jun 2013 11:02:52 BDT
In Egypt, the hot-spot for these outrages, ex President Mubarak's wife campaigned strenuously against this obscene practice: so much for the Arab Spring.

FGM is not comparable to male circumcision as the sole purpose if FGM is to ensure the female involved never experiences sexual pleasure, in the most severe cases where infibulation is involved, sex becomes an agonizing ordeal and the scar tissue created by FGM leads to complications in childbirth and a greater risk of death when giving birth. The barbarity involved is beyond belief with young children being assaulted by crones with filthy razorblades - and anaesthetic is never used.

The Evening Standard has been highlighting the practice in London where although it is illegal, no one has ever been prosecuted, unlike in other countries with large Muslim populations such as France and Netherlands. People from those countries are actually relocating to the UK where they know they will never be brought to book for these filthy crimes.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 12:02:38 BDT
easytiger says:
It is associated with Islam. It involves the removal of the clitoris and part of the inner labia, usually by razor blade or a shard of broken glass without anaesthetic.

Posted on 21 Jun 2013 12:09:09 BDT
easytiger says:
It is common in NE and N and W africa which have large muslim populations. In a lot of cultures the veil is worn as a sign that the female has been cut. The Berber women of Algeria, who are muslim, refuse to be cut and therefore refuse to wear the veil.

Posted on 21 Jun 2013 14:15:04 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
For goodness sakes people have you nothing better to discuss, is there really a need to be so explicit, and before you say it, I am not a prude but these comments about female customs have gone round and round and got nowhere, you have all moved away from the initial question, haul your over indulgent comments back in and get on track!

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 14:40:39 BDT
TomC says:
"is there really a need to be so explicit"

Yes. When someone says in essence that it's a lot of fuss about something quite trivial, there is every need. But I take your point; reading about it must be awful for a sensitive soul like you - infinitely worse than it must be for anyone else to actually experience it.

But never mind. If you don't like it, you don't have to stay.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 14:51:33 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
I am far from a sensitive soul, it just that it has been discussed so explicitly by a majority of men it gives an impression that you like to do so for more reasons than the discussion is about ! If you really feel that strongly about it then action speaks louder than words, but there is very little action just words....and for the women that experience these horrific rituals I cannot even begin to understand how they deal with it...

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 14:59:59 BDT
TomC says:
And what are you doing here, other than writing words? That's what we're all doing. How else do you think change comes about?

I'm not about to get on an aircraft and fly to Egypt, but if someone misrepresents the facts, as they are in this case, then I'm entitled to correct them. If you find that uncomfortable, hard luck. Have a cup of tea.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 15:30:34 BDT
easytiger says:
It needed to be made clear that this barbaric custom happening in our midst is not simply the same as having your foreskin lopped off. To spare your sensitivities I won't be describing what the end result looks like in a mature woman, but it isn't nice.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 16:03:03 BDT
Removal of the foreskin makes the penis more sensitive. Rather than swallow whole any kind of politics on the matter, I like to go to source, in this case the medical and health issues.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 16:05:28 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 16:06:31 BDT
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SilverSurfer says:
Easytiger -Tactfully stated...

Posted on 21 Jun 2013 16:15:00 BDT
McAvennie8 says:
The answer is no.

Posted on 21 Jun 2013 18:41:43 BDT
Seems strange to me that so many self-styled 'champions of women's rights' can get so hot under the collar about female circumcision (by which Muslim females are harmed), BUT so determinedly ignore the gang rape of literally thousands of predominantly white/'christian' girls by Islamic grooming gangs over a period of more than ten years. See mainstream News quotes below:-

Quote 1.
Grooming Report: MPs Say Asian Gangs Do Exist Sky News - Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

A trend of Asian men grooming white girls does exist and authorities must be able to freely raise concerns without fear of being labelled racist, MPs have said. In a report highlighting catastrophic failures by local authorities to tackle grooming gangs, the Home Affairs Select Committee said:-

"police, social workers and others must acknowledge the issue".

However, the committee said there was no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation and warned against stereotyping offenders. The group of MPs said they believe there are still places in the UK where victims are being failed by statutory agencies. Committee chair Keith Vaz said:

"This has been a harrowing inquiry in which we have heard of children being treated in an appalling way not just by their abusers but, because of catastrophic failures by the very agencies that society has appointed to protect them."

"Children only have one chance at childhood, once that childhood is stolen by the horrific crime of sexual exploitation, it cannot be returned."

In May 2012, nine mostly Asian and British-Asian men based in Rochdale, in Greater Manchester, were found guilty of offences relating to so-called localised grooming. A year after that verdict, seven men, from Oxford and mainly of Pakistani heritage, were convicted of offences relating to child sexual exploitation at the Old Bailey. Across cases of localised grooming, the group of abusers makes contact with victims in a public place like a park and children are offered gifts like alcohol. In a number of cases, victims are internally trafficked within the UK, taken to other towns for the purpose of being given or sold for sexual exploitation. "There is no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation," the committee report said.

"However, evidence presented to us suggests that there is a model of localised grooming of Pakistani-heritage men targeting young white girls."

It went on: "This must be acknowledged by official agencies, who we were concerned to hear in some areas of particular community tension, had reportedly been slow to draw attention to the issue for fear of affecting community cohesion.

"The condemnation from those communities of this vile crime should demonstrate that there is no excuse for tip-toeing around this issue.

"It is important that police, social workers and others be able to raise their concerns freely, without fear of being labelled racist."

The committee said councils in Rochdale and Rotherham, which has also seen similar serious claims of grooming, were "inexcusably slow" to realise that sexual abuse was taking place in their doorstep. Both councils had a "woeful lack of professional curiosity" and must be accountable for the "appalling consequences of their indifference to the suffering of vulnerable children". The committee called on the Ministry of Justice to put in place a number of reforms to court processes such as introducing specialist courts for child exploitation cases. David Tucker, NSPCC head of policy, said:

"This report is a damning indictment of systemic failure to protect vulnerable children and young people from horrific sexual abuse and exploitation.

"Obvious signs of abuse were missed by a number of agencies and there is no excuse for the way these girls were let down, often by the very people who were meant to protect and care for them."
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Dale Hurd CBN News Senior Reporter (June 19, 2013)
Coverup? A Second Muslim Beheading in Britain. (I'm writing this from Lancashire, England)

A 20-year-old British man has been arraigned in the murder and decapitation June 4th of an 18-year old Sheffield, England woman named Reema Ramazan.

Haven't heard of it? Up until a few days ago, Ramzan was "just" a stabbing fatality. Now we learn that Aras Hussein cut off her head. It was the second beheading involving a British Muslim in a little over two weeks, after the murder and decapitation of British soldier Lee Rigby, May 22.

This apparent cover up is an example of what has been a massive, orchestrated disinformation campaign by British authorities and their allies in the media to blackout or minimize, and in many cases refuse to prosecute, Muslim crimes. I've come to northern England to investigate how authorities covered up the Muslim sex grooming gang epidemic, in which white British girls are made the sex slaves of what the authorities euphemistically call "Asian" gangs (they're Muslim). Astonishingly, police are still not tackling the problem head-on, and still more girls will have their lives ruined because of it.

The media is also failing to report the depth and breadth of the public fury here over the Rigby murder. If those demonstrations were about some loony left-wing cause, you'd see them splashed across every TV screen.

Some argue that the British police are in chains to their politically correct bosses in government. No doubt. I think they also fear civil war. But trying to cover up an Islamic crime wave and the anger that is now seething among the native English doesn't prevent civil war; it brings it. Just sayin'.

A concluding example is the recent jailing at Nottingham Crown Court of Abid Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat whose gang trawled the streets of Derby raping/sexually abusing 12-18year old girls, "most of whom were white". The Daily Mail (10'th Jan 2011 page 6) stated these two rapists are just a small part of a "tidal wave" of "mass sexual abuse by older Asian men on white girls" spreading across Yorkshire, Lancashire, Manchester and the Midlands which the British Police Forces have systematically 'neglected' to investigate for more than ten years! In attempting to justify this gross dereliction of duty, Detective Chief Inspector Alan Edwards of West Mercia Police said, I quote:-

"These girls are being passed around and used as meat. To stop this type of crime you need to start talking about it, but everyone's been too scared to address the ethnicity factor."

Mohammed Shafiq of the Ramadhan Foundation explains on page 14 of the same Daily Mail newspaper, I quote:-

"There is a perception that these white girls have fewer morals and are less valuable than women of Pakistani heritage."

What a damning inditement of the debased/degenerate condition to which fifty years of 'government' by thieves, traitors and cowards has reduced our unfortunate country!

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jun 2013 22:09:21 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'C. W. Bradbury says:

Seems strange to me that so many self-styled 'champions of women's rights' can get so hot under the collar about female circumcision (by which Muslim females are harmed), BUT so determinedly ignore the gang rape of literally thousands of predominantly white/'christian' girls by Islamic grooming gangs over a period of more than ten years.'

Yes agreed. There has to be balance in all things. You get the feeling that the Trendy Lefty PC brigade are trying to downplay these things to avoid causing trouble, which is understandable to a point, but my view is that suppressing these things merely stokes bad feeling all around between different ethnic communities. By trying to downplay it, it actually creates and helps heighten the tensions people are understandably trying to avoid. If someone is a scumbag and does scummy things, be they white, Asian, black, rich, poor, whatever difference then the law should apply to them all fairly and squarely. And we do have to get out from behind this fear of being racist by simply acknowledging that certain groups are doing things that they should not be doing. Likewise, we should condemn all acts of violence and criminality, be it these Asian men or the BNP or EDL or whatever. The problem is that law is often applied harshly to some, and leniently to others who have may have committed the same crimes. Be that as it may, there needs just to be more balance and more acceptance that individuals in every group can be good, bad and indifferent; there are few real devils and few real saints, just people in all their glorious weirdness and complexity.

Posted on 22 Jun 2013 12:03:21 BDT
Its very simple, really. The Mutilation of infants, male or female, for whatever reason, is barbaric, shameful, and unforgivable.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2013 15:15:32 BDT
easytiger says:
You may not like them but to include the BNP and EDL in the same context as child rapists and genital mutilators shows a serious case of PC bigotry. The BNP did more than anybody to alert the public of the police hush-up about muslim grooming rings, like it or not.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2013 18:58:31 BDT
Spin says:
easy: I am sure that the BNP and EDL take an interest in genital mutilation. After all, Hitler had only one big ball, Goerring had two, but small. Himmler had something similar and poor old Goebbells had no balls at all.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2013 19:30:35 BDT
Spin,

You might be interested to know that Hermann Goering took a ricochet in the testicles during the abortive 'Beer Hall Putsch on 8th November, 1923. He then endured a long car journey over rough country (dirt track?) roads during the subsequent escape into Austria, being given morphine to dull the agonising pain. As a result, Göring developed a severe morphine addiction that would follow him for his entire life and twice lead him into a treatment center.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2013 19:45:08 BDT
Spin says:
CW; I can't say I have any sympathy for the guy...But from a psychological viewpoint his damaged nuts explain a lot =)

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2013 21:17:56 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Jun 2013 21:20:28 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'easytiger says:

You may not like them but to include the BNP and EDL in the same context as child rapists and genital mutilators shows a serious case of PC bigotry. The BNP did more than anybody to alert the public of the police hush-up about muslim grooming rings, like it or not.'

Perhaps you're right mate and I stand corrected. And I am not PC at all! I was merely trying to say that one group stoking up hatred against another can get out of balance. And you obviously read my first post, I would add that this does need to be accepted and not brushed under the carpet. The problem I have with the BNP and EDL and also the Muslim fundies and these Asian men is that they use prejudice and hatred to justify what they do and what they believe. Like most people believe, as I said, if such things are brushed under the carpet, they tend to cause worse problems in the end. Yes, I get your point; if the BNP did expose this then it shames the people who should have done so long before. The law should be applied to all, fairly and squarely, and finally it looks like it is hey?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2013 09:49:41 BDT
Bellatori says:
There is a difference between the LRA and the Islamic 'fundamentalists. The LRA had no support outside of its own area. In fact it was viewed with loathing but they were difficult to get rid of given the state of Uganda. However the African League got together troops to support Uganda and eventually crushed them.

It is also a moot point whether any Christian group would acknowledge that the LRA was truly a Christian organisation or a cult.

Groups like the Taliban, al Qaeda do seem to have support amongst some sections of the Islamic community. No matter how despicable their actions apologists step forward. You rarely hear a senior Muslim roundly condemn the group (sometimes individual actions but never the group) which reminds me rather of Jerry Adams and his ilk acting as apologists for IRA atrocities.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2013 09:57:07 BDT
Reichsmarschal GOERING was to eventually 'dry out' from Morphine by going CT in his imprisonment and trial at Nuremberg.
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