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Why is cannabis illegal?

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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 16:47:27 BDT
Spin, this forum is about cannabis.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 16:48:42 BDT
Spin says:
Randalf: So cannibas is not a "drug"? Nor is it a "gateway" drug? And cannibas has no effect on the mind an body? It is completely neutral, as is water? Why then take it if it has no effect whatsoever? Cannibas dulls the mind an slows reactions; it leads to extreme introversion. The inhalation of smoke also causes cancer and respitatory problems. If you cannot see the difference between a sobre person and someone stoned, and consider "harm" only to consist of immediate physical harm, rather than long term psychological, physical and societal harm, then you really cannot comment on the subject. Feel free to indulge, by all means. But remember, a sure sign of a problem comes with the phrases "Its just harmless fun" and "I can quit anytime..."

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 17:05:29 BDT
Drug is a stupid word which means nothing especially when both heroin and caffine fall under its lable

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 17:12:36 BDT
Spin says:
Popcorn: Cannibas is a drug. like alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, cocaine, acid (remember that? =) )and heroin, etc. To claim one drug is harmless is to say all drugs vary in their degree of harm. In my opinion, it is not a matter of degree of harm, since even eating too much fatty foods is "harmful". It is the effect drugs have on body and mind that matters. Anything which alters ones natural mental or physical state, no matter how slight the degree, is "harmful".

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 17:17:51 BDT
Spin says:
I wonder if those who advocate a liberal approch to drug use would recommend drugs, be they legal or illegal, to their kids...? If cannabis is harmless, why not serve it up in the school cafeteria? Prisons often allow cannabis to be smoked by prisoners because it dulls their mind, slows reaction and keeps them sedate...And cannibas is harmless...? Really?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 17:19:38 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Apr 2012 17:20:01 BDT
Spin, seeing Cheryl Cole changes my mental state.
And physical state.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 17:40:13 BDT
Its not a gateway drug spin, show me some evidence for this claim, but bear in mind what I said in my lengthy earlier post

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 17:41:50 BDT
Yes, Id give it to prisoners too. Of course children should not be given Cannabis just as they should not be given alcohol, poor attempt at a moral argument

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 18:09:56 BDT
Spin says:
Anyone who claims that they have only tried cannabis, and no other drug, be it legal or illegal, is a liar.

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 18:14:37 BDT
Spin says:
In my wil a crazy days, the only drugs I refused were the "Heavy drugs" (Heroin, crack etc). I never had the desire to destroy myself. bUt I was introduced to acid, coke, ectasy (remember that?) etc through the association of the drug culture. It is unavoidable. If you smoke hash, you come into contact with other drugs.....Anyone who denies that has no idea what they are talking about...

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 18:48:14 BDT
Anyone who says that whether they have tried Cannabis or not would be a liar Spin. Your point is what exactky, that Cannbais is a gateway drug. Seriously what evidence for this please

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 18:51:49 BDT
Come into contact, jeez Spin, every 16 year old comes into contact with them at any house party or school event, does not mean they are forced to try it. Any drug I tried I made a decision based on my knowledge of that drug and its effects etc. Maybe Heroin would be the one still taboo drug that many wont come into contact with.

But I know many people who were not interested in Cannabis, but very interested in Ecstacy and Coke, equally vice versa, legalising Cannabis would effect this how?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 18:58:05 BDT
Spin says:
CJ: If you have to ask that, then you clearly have no experence of the reality of drugs. I rely not on you guys quoting wiki or getting on your high moral horse. I know from experience. You who advocate freedom in one area of life tend to condemn freedom in other areas. (its fine to get stoned, but do not believe in God)...No wonder the West is so screwed up...

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 19:15:19 BDT
Spin, its a plant. Someone killed themselves last year by eating tree bark, it was a suicide. Trees killed more people last year than cannabis due to that suicide. More people died last year in road accidents, putting on their trousers, licking the top of batteries, on their phones not paying attention to traffic, as a result of being hit by drunk driver, as a direct result of a stab wound through fighting amongst drunk people. More people were killed at football matches, in saunas, in boat accidents, alcohol poisoning killed more, my personal favourite - more people died whilst having sex last year than cannabis killed. Do the math spin, its a plant.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 19:32:54 BDT
Last edited by the author on 1 May 2012 14:33:16 BDT
Spin says:
Popcorn: So your logic is: As long as no-one but me is harmed its Ok? Fine. Go for it. You are obviously an adherent of the culture of christian-influenced western society. Thank you god, I approach your "morality" from a different direction... My comment about the harm of drugs is supported by your failure to show or argue a sensible. logical and sober reason for getting f***ed.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 19:42:55 BDT
Cannabis is a drug. No, it is not a gateway drug. Yes it has an effect on the mind and body. No it is not completely neutral.

People take it because they want to.

Why don't you read what people actually write instead of rambling on. I don't inhale smoke yet still partake so what's your point?

Are these respitatory problems you speak of things like asthma or emphysema? Funny as these respitatory problems are the exact things medical cannabis gets prescribed for. It is a vasodilator as well as a natural expectorant, fact, so you're coming from a position of ignorance.

As for it causing cancer, this is debatable. There's more evidence to suggest that it actually inhibits the growth of or, in some cases, shrinks tumours.

What does being able to perceive the difference between the sobre man and stoned one have to do with anything?

'If you smoke hash, you come into contact with other drugs'
Funny, whenever i've been to the Netherlands i've never come into contact with any other drug yet had as much cannabis available to me as I want, so that isn't true now is it. Your scenario is based upon the fact that it's illegal and therefore those selling it to you having a vested interest in pushing other things on you. Legalisation prevents this so that argument is a non-starter.

'Prisons often allow cannabis to be smoked by prisoners because it dulls their mind, slows reaction and keeps them sedate'
Do you know the difference between indica and sativa? Probably not. Some miners in South Africa are allowed to take cannabis as it actually motivates.

'You who advocate freedom in one area of life tend to condemn freedom in other areas. (its fine to get stoned, but do not believe in God)'
Not a true statement. But since you brought it up when was the last time a pro-legalisation supporter was on the news for blowing something up? Or, when did you ever hear of someone in favour of legalisation saying that it's better to die of aids than wear a condom?

Has anyone else noticed the irony of Spin in that if he's the sort of person you become when you stop taking drugs then he'll serve as the perfect advert for taking them.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 22:56:21 BDT
Pendragon says:

"I was introduced to acid, coke, ectasy (remember that?) etc through the association of the drug culture"

As an epileptic, was this wise on your part?

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 23:30:29 BDT
as weed makes people try harder drugs and do you really see teens stabbing people for money so they can buy a jar of coffee

Posted on 1 May 2012 00:30:53 BDT
mister joe says:
I don't think its the drugs that cause the crime.Its poverty.Rich drug addict.=cool,fine, Poor drug addict=scum,deserves it,no empathy.
What this has to do with cannabis i have no idea.I have NEVER come into contact of a violent,aggressive situation whilst being in the enviroment of cannabis.Sure i have eaten a LOT of biscuits,of all different varieties,textures,fillings.I apologise for this.
Ahhhh....alcohol where do i begin?A and E,assault charges,theft,criminal damage.....that was one saturday night for me.
Drugs=Boring subject.We are all just repeating ourselves.Some people take em some don't.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 May 2012 01:03:02 BDT
Shows that hard drugs or so addictive that if your not rich enough to buy it your use any means to get it

and what about some drugs make your skin fall off

but saying that weed is a weak drug but can get people on to harder drugs

but my true believe is a small personal amount of weed it should be ok to have but if you wanna know what weed really does to you come and meet my mums best friends husband doesn't drink or do other drugs just smokes a lot and a lot of weed for the last 35-40 years and if you can last 2 hours straight with him I would give you £100 as he is extremely nutty extremely violent he makes 4 cups of tea one him and 3 for his invisible friends and when they have not drunk there tea he will smash up the house that what happens about 35-40 years of weed smoking I have a ex co worker from a fish shop after 30yrs he is messed up my best friends bad same again he will run around the town naked in day light at a packed weekend

I'm sure your just a young man that smokes a bit of weed thinking it will not harm you

Posted on 1 May 2012 10:41:00 BDT
mister joe says:
There is the most profound sayings "everything in MODERATION".I am a 32 year old father who is,here comes the cliche,an ex alcoholic.I decided once i became a father to stop all forms of booze and most definetley any drug.Just tea and biscuits now.
Please don't make assumptions....i have known three people who have suffered cannabis pyschosis.The connecting factor?These guys started smoking at 12 and truly ridicolous amounts.Alcohol,weed....going off on the deep end is not advised.
I personally feel drugs,taking drugs,being around drugs is hands down terminally boring.You know go out,live a life,breath in fresh air,do something nice for someone....thats my view.
And please do not refer to me as "a young man who smokes a bit of weed".No.The only important thing to me is my little girl,thats it.But i have been round the block to know drugs is not just a good bad right wrong issue.What is?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 May 2012 11:53:28 BDT
I bet I have more experience than you; I grew up in a deprived area in Scotland, very prone to both soft and hard drug use.

There are guys I went o school with who died from drugs, others who became Heroin addicts and drug pushers etc.

One in particular was a good friend of mine on First and 2nd year of high school, but he had a single mum, who did not care a damn about him or his younger brother, he was left to fend for himself and was not encouraged at school and allowed to associate with anyone he wanted as long as he was out his Mums hair. My parents were polar opposites and even if they were not Id have never been silly enough to try Heroin. But he was poorly educated, bottom classes and constantly in trouble as his mum did not care. He got in with a bad crowd in a bad area and I remember hearing he had held up a local post office at knife point and did some hard time, all for drug money.

I saw him walking a dog recently and he looks clean and certainly not in Jail, but his life was flushed won the toilet.

Now this is in no way a similar story to all other people I knew that used drugs, Most of my friends have tried Cannabis some were not interested, most of them lost interest very early on.

As we were all into the clubbing scene though I would say ecstasy usage was more so among the group and many who were not interested in Cannabis were very interested in alcohol and Ecstasy. SOME of them then got into Cocaine once they had the finances to spend on it, not heavy usage apart from 1-2 I lost contact with, but most did it occasionally and then stopped as they got older.

This does not correspond to those I know who really enjoyed Cannabis and many still use it and it presents no ill affects on their lives at all, all work all pay taxes, all have families and responsibilities and are not the classical (Hollywood stoners).

There are a few how are lazy gits I know, I don't blame Cannabis use for this, but in my area, its common for many people to leave school and claim benefits for life. I can only think of one guy who is not a close friend this would apply to. I had one friend who was badly into Cocaine and Cannabis, and he started dealing as well to fund his Coke habit, he changed his life around and now works 8-8 every day and has 2 children, I generally still see have at football, which he plays 3-4 times a week.

I personally have tried only Cannabis, which I still enjoy, but not heavy use; I have also tried Ecstasy and Amphetamine, but would never go near any of them again, that's for young clubbers with no responsibilities. I would discourage anyone form their use, but kids do silly things. I would not class Cannabis in the same league as any of them.

I would have been exposed to any other drug whether I had ever used Cannabis or not, as Drugs were just readily available where I live, Cannabis dealers do not deal other drugs here, so there is no gateway that I have ever seen as such.

I am now Almost T total (weddings/Parties/holidays aside) with alcohol, for me the worst of all of them and I have very good experiences with that, which is a social crutch where I stay. I occasionally use Cannabis and I smoke tobacco, both of which I am stopping shortly, not because Cannabis is causing any problems, but because as I age I want to remain fit and healthy and smoking tobacco is not good for you, I would have to stop Cannabis as smoking that would make me desire nicotine.

Don't tell me I don't understand drugs, I could tell you a million stories about the, their uses, the social and antisocial reasons for using them and the pathways one would take from softer to harder drugs.

It is you who are taking the Wiki/google route on this, I speak completely form personal experience and I know for a fact there is nothing for me to learn on Google that I don't know just as well or better about this subject.

BTW my friends who did all use some harder drugs such as Cocaine and Ecstasy are all now Married, with Children high paid jobs, responsibilities, big houses and mortgages i.e. active and good members of society, where I am from this makes my group of friends the unusual, not the norm you'd expect.
Anything else you want to know about this subject just ask, I have a million more real life examples of any drug you mention, where they got into it and what effect it had on them.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 May 2012 11:56:44 BDT
Evidence that it "Makes" people try anything please, or redact statement

Posted on 1 May 2012 12:37:33 BDT
Smoking took both of my grandfathers, alcohol took my uncle and tore two familys I was once close to apart. Cigarettes are proven to cause cancer, 1 in 3 smokers will get lung cancer or another form of cancer due to smoking. Alcohol causes liver damage, you can see the effects in anyone who regularly exceed the daily alcohol recommendation. Sunbeds increase chances of skin cancer by 500% if used once a week for a year. Cannabis, when vapourised or ingested has been linked rather dubiously to certain mental health issues, with a similar amount of evidence as the whole 'mobile 3/ radiation can cause brain tumours' case. I'm not going to sit and tell you cannabis is harmless, but we all do things which are not great for our bodies. Binge drinking the most common example. We all take risks, cannabis is less of a risk than anything else I've mentioned above, the proof is before your very eyes as there are millions of users in the UK alone. Class B? How does a drug with no recorded fatalities deserve that status? I'm a family man myself Mr Joe, drugs never come between me and my family but when I've got some time to myself, my life is my business and not going out with mates I shouldn't knock about with on a friday night drinking = charge sheet, I'm a nasty drunk so I no longer do it. No addict me.

Posted on 1 May 2012 13:34:18 BDT
Like we any 18 yr old in the uk my time was spent clubbing drinking odd drugs ans loads of sex but believe me now that I am many years older my new drug is healthy eating lots of exercise and kickboxing you can get the same good feelings with out drugs try going sky diving what a rush
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