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In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 18:19:55 GMT
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Posted on 14 Feb 2013 18:39:36 GMT
Spin says:
Seagulls; The unsung "Dustmen" of our modern, commercial, food-wasting age...

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 19:44:18 GMT
Ian says:
If they collected rubbish at night people would complain about the noise.

Bin lorries are expensive bits of machinery to have lying idle so ideally rubbish should collected around the clock (3 teams working 8 hour shifts) - then we wouldn't need so many lorries and/or could collect the rubbish more often.

Posted on 14 Feb 2013 20:05:37 GMT
I, too, live in Spain in a village. We put our rubbish into a communal bin which is emptied every night of the week between 8pm and 9pm except New Years Eve when it is emptied at 2 in the morning. For recycling there are seperate bins for glass, paper/card and plastics/cans plus a container for waste cooking oil. We pay here as much local tax for a whole year on a five bedroomed house and that includes sweage) as we paid per month for a one bedroomed flat in UK. In addition, because the rubbish is collected daily we don't have any problems with feral foxes nor rats either.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 20:07:26 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Feb 2013 21:11:28 GMT
<<Bin lorries are expensive bits of kit>>* and made in Germany too.

*So are schools...howzabout we open them round the clock too with 3 teams of teachers working 8 hour shifts?

The noise at night is a trade off against hold ups on the way to work.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 20:48:10 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Feb 2013 20:48:19 GMT
Ian says:
Schools, offices, shops, factories - everything open 24 hours a day and 8 hour shifts means we would only need 1/3 as many of everything!

I think you'd have trouble persuading the people woken by the bin lorries in their street that it's worth it to save 10 minutes on their commute.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 20:59:07 GMT
Well they do night collections in parts of the great USA and lots of European countries too.

Yes why not have a round the clock economy? Let's get doctors and dentists working 24/7.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 21:26:43 GMT
Ian says:
A&E doctors already do. Some surgeons might like operating at night so they can play golf when it's daylight.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2013 22:14:27 GMT
Good. Let's get the whole economy working shifts 24/7, great congestion eliminator.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:54:09 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Are you a fellow Bukowski fan perchance?

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Posted on 17 Feb 2013 10:26:56 GMT
Ned Spot says:
Gosh you are all so short-sighted! Just because YOUR bins are collected at 7am or YOU see a bin lorry on the way to work doesn't mean ALL collections are made at this time. Rounds are long and tortuous, lorries need to be emptied - the collectors don't just work for 2 annoying hours! My bins are emptied sometime after 10:30am!!

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 11:58:41 GMT
Ned,

Who wrote or implied that they believe <<ALL collections are made at this time>>, 7am?

Posted on 17 Feb 2013 13:22:51 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Feb 2013 14:25:05 GMT
The refuse disposal teams are supposed to be serving us, not us serving them, so they should be allocated to times that are going to cause the least disruption to normal traffic.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 13:54:39 GMT
Well said.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 20:25:10 GMT
Charlieost says:
Hi Gordon. I don't even agree that you have a fine kingdom (shouldn't that be a queendom?). Lots of people sell lots of stuff. Whether it is any use or not is hardly relevant to the economy. C

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 21:09:13 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Feb 2013 21:09:43 GMT
Hello Charlize,

Up to you, does this mean every time you see 'United Kingdom' written you will post to point out that you think it should be 'United Queendom'?

As for your second point, how do you, Charlize, decide what economic activities selling what <<stuff>> are <<relevant to the economy>>? Can you supply a list of what you think is and is not relevant?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 21:13:58 GMT
A tax on just being in business.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 11:01:22 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Like in the middle of the night? That would go down well ;-)

Posted on 18 Feb 2013 14:40:08 GMT
easytiger says:
All working people should work at night, leaving the streets in the daytime quiet so tramps can get some sleep.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 23:29:23 GMT
People in Spain don't object, and they get their communal bins emptied every night.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Feb 2013 10:03:19 GMT
Last edited by the author on 19 Feb 2013 10:04:43 GMT
Dan Fante says:
It's quite different though, isn't it?
You're talking about a country where it's often too hot to work through the day and where you need to have the bins emptied regularly due to that heat. The communal bin system also makes it much less disruptive. Also, most urban / suburban living is in flats / apartments rather than houses.
Try putting the proposal forward to your local council and the people who live near you though and get back to me ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Feb 2013 11:14:42 GMT
No it's not quite different, is it?

It's hot in Spain during July and August, leaving ten months when it's not too hot.

Spain is not alone in having nighttime collections, other European countries do, the USA too.

I would argue we need bins emptied more regularly here too. In summer bins collected once a fortnight are crawling with maggots.

Communal bins could be used here.

Nighttime collections and communal bins allow more efficient collection, and we could have several a week.

What fundamental difference does living in apartments make to the time collections are made?

Daytime versus nighttime collection is a trade off: noise at night vs hold ups on the way to work...we have a choice.

Most bin collections start In this country at 7am...so there's probably around 15% of the population who are still in bed at the time their bin is emptied, we are.

Posted on 19 Feb 2013 11:51:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 19 Feb 2013 11:54:12 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I can't believe I'm having this conversation to be honest. It was a throwaway comment based on the notion that people would get woken up if bins were collected through the night and would moan. Or to put it another way, whichever way it's done people will find something to complain about. Personally, I couldn't give a monkeys. I love the idea Spain is only hot for two months of the year though. Good one.
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