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The proposed Dale Farm evictions and connection to 24 "slaves" found on Traveller site.

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Posted on 26 Sep 2011 08:29:16 BDT
C. A. Small says:
You borrow money- you do not pay it back, the money is still owed- that is what borrowing is, otherwise it is a gift. Would you like to borrow a dictionary?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Sep 2011 08:31:46 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Which of your candidates do you think will do the best to get Ireland out of the financial mess she is in?

Is that a major campaigning point?

Posted on 26 Sep 2011 08:35:50 BDT
Molly Brown says:
Ad Nauseam by Colin and Clive.

Posted on 26 Sep 2011 08:43:12 BDT
C. A. Small says:
So you can use Latin, but not comprehend the English word "borrow".

Posted on 26 Sep 2011 10:42:30 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Sep 2011 16:42:18 BDT
Molly Brown says:
26 September 2011 Last updated at 15:50

Dale Farm: Travellers 'win' latest round in eviction fight
The council has been involved in a 10-year battle to clear 51 illegal plots at Dale Farm in Essex Residents on the UK's largest illegal travellers' site have won a temporary reprieve in their battle to stay.

A High Court judge ruled travellers at Dale Farm in Essex were entitled to an extension of an injunction stopping their evictions.

He adjourned the case until Thursday saying the courts needed first to rule on the legality of their removal.

Basildon Council has been involved in a 10-year battle to clear 51 illegal plots from the site.

The authority has been challenging an injunction won by the travellers a week ago at the Royal Courts of Justice.

The injunction came just as the 18m eviction process was getting under way last week.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Sep 2011 09:24:22 BDT
E. Richards says:
Your post has certainly struck a chord with me and the people who live in the village where I live. I have lost count of the number of times these travellers/ gypsies or whatever you care to call them have come through our village and blatantly entered gardens and garages and stolen various items including,gardening tools, furniture and even a disability scooter. In most cases the police were unable to prosecute the people involved because it was one person's word against another, and this despite the fact that two of the thieves were seen taking the items from a garage. All the police advised was to lock up any valuables and not leave anything of value lying around. C.A.Small is absolutely correct, and most people who have been on the receiving end of these people will tell you what absolute scum they are. Until you've had to live near this element or had them steal things from you then you don't know what you're talking about if you try to defend them. I'm not saying that ALL travellers/gypsies are thieves, but many are and that is beyond dispute.

Posted on 28 Sep 2011 10:51:03 BDT
C. A. Small says:

you and everyone else whose lives near these scum have to not only put up with police inaction, but also the loony left in places like Islington, who view the mobile filth with some dim witted-romantic view of romany gipsies. A horse drawn, gaily painted caravan being pulled by a cart horse. So far from the reality it may as well be in a different universe!

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 09:30:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Sep 2011 10:03:34 BDT
"I never understood how half of this site is legal and the other illegal?"

This will probably have been answered already, taking a while to read through all the posts from the last 2 weeks buuut I think one half is legal as they had planning permission for some houses/buildings, but continued building homes etc outside of that permission - so the extra buildings class as illegal. I think that's where issue lies.

"Why can't the Council build toilet and recycling facilities on travellor sites...If these sites were organised and arranged as ordinary caravan sites are, there would not be a problem as far as mess is concerned"

I think one of the earlier posts said that (from the posters experience) even when these facilities are given or made available to the traveller sites they're still not used, so continuing to make them available wouldn't make any difference.

And ref tipping fees - is that as in fly tipping etc ? In which case I think there should be a fine (for everyone who does it) because it makes an ugly mess and there are skips and junkyards available relatively easily to dispose of waste in a manner everyone follows.
To allow travellers the right to dump waste and not get fined, but permanently settled (I don't know if there's a right term) people who tip to get fined would be wholely unfair and discriminatory towards non-travellers.

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 10:01:20 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Sep 2011 10:31:42 BDT
Molly Brown says:
The Sun says,

"GYPSIES at Dale Farm get 60,000 a year in housing and council tax benefits - even though their homes are illegal.

It has emerged that 25 families there each collect 832 to 1,025 for council tax and another 988 to 1,300 housing benefit."

I'm sure that The Sun failed to mention that lots of people in this country receive housing and council tax benefits. Interestingly though, apparently, according to the head of Basildon Council, those who are living on the illegal site do pay council tax!

If it is an illegal site though, how can they be charged by the Council, and Council Tax payments are accepted by the Council, as surely in doing so, it legitimises their right to be there?

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 10:27:55 BDT
C. A. Small says:
They should not get a penny in any sort of benefit. They do not pay income tax as the rest of us have to, so should not have benefits.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 10:58:00 BDT
Molly Brown says:
How do you know "they" do not pay income tax Clive?

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 11:19:06 BDT
C. A. Small says:
LP; what on earth makes you think they do?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 12:21:07 BDT
Molly Brown says:
CAS:-( What on earth makes you think they don't?

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 12:36:12 BDT
C. A. Small says:
They do not pay income tax.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 12:51:44 BDT
"Stolen possessions, how about repossessed homes by the Bankers, all apparently, perfectly legal."

Well you see when you take out a mortgage you sign a legally binding document saying you will pay back the sum borrowed to buy your house following the conditions laid out in the document and if you fail to do so you will forfeit your house.

If you live up to your side of the LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT that YOU AGREED TO BEFORE BUYING then they can't reposes your house.

Posted on 30 Sep 2011 13:35:19 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Andy- amazing how some people cannot grasp what a contract means!

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 18:05:12 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Clive. What financial mess would that be then?

I have money in my pocket as do all the people I know. We have food on the table.

Unfortunately we also have "experts" drivelling on night after night on TV and radio about this so called financial mess.

I'll start worrying when we have to survive by eating each other.

Good health. Charlie.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 19:45:43 BDT
E. M. Stone says:
"Good health" - yeah right, now we all know you plans for cannibalism, I'm gonna start smoking, taking drugs and doing generally harmful things. I'm gonna make sure I taste like crap if that's your plan!

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Sep 2011 20:24:56 BDT
C. A. Small says:
That would be the financial mess that involved your leader coming to our leader to borrow money we have not got because the previous government spent it on who knows what!

It seems every country in the world has spent much more than it had coming in, and now everyone is in debt- problem is i don't think anyone knows who actually owes who , and how much.

Any way Have a good weekend, enjoy the sunshine and the beer before the weather ends,


Posted on 1 Oct 2011 05:59:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 1 Oct 2011 06:01:17 BDT
Molly Brown says:
Wasn't it the British who started the European housing boom around 2002/3, selling their overpriced homes here, and moving to other countries, often with enough to retire on, places such as Ireland, Spain and Portugal, thereby pushing up house prices in those countries to unsustainable levels?

Not sure why I am posting about house prices in this thread, and how we've got to the financial crisis when discussing the Dale Farm evicitions?

Posted on 19 Oct 2011 07:34:35 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Oct 2011 07:37:43 BDT
Molly Brown says:
Can someone tell me do the Police carrying out the eviction today, actually volunteer for this type of duty?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Oct 2011 10:22:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Oct 2011 10:22:31 BDT
David Groom says:
Red Molly,

'Can someone tell me do the Police carrying out the eviction today, actually volunteer for this type of duty? '

As I understand it, the bailiffs appointed by the courts on behalf of the council carry out the eviction. The police role is to try and maintain public order. As such their role is no different to any other situation where a mass of people may cause trouble e.g. demonstrations etc., so what would volunteering have to do with it? Individual police officers don't get to decide what duties they will or wont carry out, so volunteering has nothing to do with it.

Posted on 19 Oct 2011 11:06:16 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Oct 2011 11:08:57 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
The Dale Farm community will now face tax officials, social services, healthcare workers and criminal charges, unless of course they are considered 'culturally special'. In which case they will be taken to court by orders brought by the local community. We cannot lock up rioters for stealing botles of water on the one hand and let others flout the law as and when it suits them.
For me this is not about 'travellers' or 'culture' BUT whether the law of the land works for everyone equally. If it doesn't, this is a dangerous precedent.
A very interesting couple of days ahead.

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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Oct 2011 11:09:15 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
Now corrected, cheers!
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