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The UK should just accept the inevitable and embrace Islam


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In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:19:10 BDT
Bellatori says:
Absolutely. It should be a criminal offence to introduce religion to children below the age of 18... fat chance. The reason I mention Islam specifically is that gtL is currently a fanatic muslim.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:27:11 BDT
just like a racist to use "no true scotsman fallacy". your scholarship is highly weak and dubious, you prejudiced, deluded, racist ignoramus.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:28:27 BDT
only racists shelter and defend other racists

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:28:45 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
Religion has a lot to answer for along with the do gooders.....i.e. the human rights activists who would have felt the cleric with the false hand languishing at HMP needed a warder to wipe his b**k side at a cost of £10,000 a year to the taxpayer, human rights gone potty, no pun intended !

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:30:19 BDT
Ian says:
Did I just make the list?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:31:02 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
Could not agree with you more on your comment that the government does not consider the desires or morals of our people....

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 16:49:34 BDT
Bellatori says:
" your scholarship is highly weak" In which case I await to be astounded by your scholarship on the matter.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2013 21:37:29 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'SilverSurfer says:

Could not agree with you more on your comment that the government does not consider the desires or morals of our people....'

Good point. All governments use people for their own ends really, and governments tend to be filled with the elites who have power or wealth or resources and want to protect them and their families right to eventually dominate and control in their turn. Some use religion to control people and wage wars, others politics and nationalism, some like America appeal to patriotism and use words like 'freedom' and 'democracy' to get their people to fight wars, and of course countries use subtle blends of religion, politics, nationalism and perceived freedoms to get the common person to fight wars and so on. Not much has changed since the world became 'civilised'; such is life.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 08:00:04 BDT
H. M. Sykes says:
Heart of Darkness and Other Stories (Wordsworth Classics) Read Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad to get a good idea of Congo under Belgian rule. It's a classic and should be on everyone's bookshelf.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 10:20:47 BDT
H. M. Sykes says:
If only most believers in, or converts to, Islam interpreted the Quran for themselves. Rather in the way of the Christian churches before the bible was translated from Latin and Greek into the vernacular, the audience in mosques rely on the interpretation of this great book and the subsequent Hadiz by people who have studied the religion and achieve an official post within it.

There is a parallel with Christianity even today, the word of the Pope is a divine declaration for some Catholic Christians which has led to many Africans dying of AIDS because condoms are forbidden. Various Muslim clerics interpret the Quran in different ways according to their own views, if they choose to emphasise war rather than peace then they have the power to persuade teenage boys to blow themselves up with the promise of a direct trip to Paradise. The Crusades, although there was a definitely temporal theme as well, were staffed by soldiers promised remission for their sins.

The Lord's Resitance Army which has carried out so many terrible massacres, rapes and mutilations in Africa does so in the name of Christianity, guided by the Holy Spirit. So please admit that all extremism is wrong, irrestpective of religious creed or none at all and please stop blaming Muslims. I write this as a devout Christian.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 10:40:38 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
There will always be those that are gullible and the vulnerable who become brainwashed by all the fanaticism and hype.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 18:47:39 BDT
Bellatori says:
"There will always be those that are gullible and the vulnerable who become brainwashed by all the fanaticism and hype."

Whilst that is undoubtedly true, I also think it is rather harsh. In third world countries where they see only a lifetime of struggle and hardship ahead of them, it is unsurprising that they heed the siren calls of religion which promises a better existence in the next life. What do we do to disabuse them of this fallacy?

I really recommend that people read 'The liberation of Earth' by William Tenn. It is a short story and in some ways it is a SciFI prediction of what Afghanistan is now.
http://docs9.chomikuj.pl/1842424407,PL,0,0,William-Tenn---The-Liberation-of-Earth.rtf is most of it...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 21:31:12 BDT
I've not found anything in the Koran about chopping off heads. The bit about the finger tips is where it is said that the enemies of Mohammed will chew off their own fingers out of hatred for him.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 23:37:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Jun 2013 23:41:31 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'H. M. Sykes says:

Heart of Darkness and Other Stories (Wordsworth Classics) Read Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad to get a good idea of Congo under Belgian rule. It's a classic and should be on everyone's bookshelf.'

I will check it out on Amazon at least, and am aware that 'Apocalypse Now' was based on that book.

Posted on 19 Jun 2013 23:38:14 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Jun 2013 23:40:42 BDT
"He who is not with me is against me" - I believe a great teacher said that. I for one find the fact that "turn the other cheek" Christianity is not a faith that believes in fighting enemies disturbing. If England was able to drive out the Jews in the Fourteenth Century and declare, at different times, Protestantism and Catholicism as alien doctrines then they should do the same with militant Islam. I am a Christian but I find myself siding with Peter, who brought a sword with him to Gethsamene.

If anyone threatened to behead me because I was of a different religion I would not lay my head meekly on the block. I'd reach for the nearest machine gun and start shooting { assuming I can find one after treacherous politicians have disarmed the populace }, for it's far better to go down, if you're going down, fighting.

Had early Christian Spain not fought back in the IIth with El Cid and Europe not fought back in the 15th Century Islam would have over-run. Nothing's changed and the fanatics are at it again.

Islam must be driven out of Britain if it will not peacefully co-exist. They should have listened to Enoch POWELL but 'wiser' heads / aka the treacherous politicians aforementioned prevailed.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 23:39:31 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'H. M. Sykes says:

The Lord's Resitance Army which has carried out so many terrible massacres, rapes and mutilations in Africa does so in the name of Christianity, guided by the Holy Spirit. So please admit that all extremism is wrong, irrestpective of religious creed or none at all and please stop blaming Muslims. I write this as a devout Christian.'

Amen! I'm a Christian too and agree completely with what you've said.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2013 23:42:10 BDT
I bite my nails but it has nothing to do with religions.

Posted on 20 Jun 2013 01:09:41 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 11:15:04 BDT
P Roberts says:
Consider life as a non Muslim where politics and religion operate, as in the Middle East now.
If you are not Muslim you are second class and treated as such. This is the same apartheid as existed in South Africa, two levels of society.
Is this the way to go?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 11:19:47 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Jun 2013 19:21:24 BDT
except that it's built in to Islam that no compulsion in religion. It's called minding your own business.

So, more ad hominem. More hypocritical agitation to breach the peace unjustly.
My my the anti-Muslim racist propaganda machine is rolling today.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 13:04:23 BDT
H. M. Sykes says:
I lived in the Middle East, in Jordan and Iraq, between the Gulf Wars. I can assure you that I was not a second class citizen, I was an honoured guest. In Kuwait (where alcohol is banned) a client offered me a greater selection of whisky in his house than I have ever seen in any bar anywhere. There are few countries that I did not visit and in every one I have friends.

You have to debunk the myth that non-muslims are second class and try to understand Islam. Look at the current conflict in Syria and you will see that it is between Alawites (a branch of Shia), Druze (Ismali Shias) and Sunnis with some Kurds, who are nominal Muslims, thrown in and Christians are caught up in the conflict but not as second class citizens. In Iraq it is much the same (without the Druze). The Iran Iraq war was between Muslims not against other religions and huge numbers died (largely sponsored by the USA). Egypt has Coptic Christianity, the largest church in the Middle East.

You also need to understand that the vast majority of Muslims are about as religious as the majority of people (in Europe, anyway) who call themselves Christian. They only visit church for baptism, weddings and funerals and in between ignore the 10 Commandments. Your average Middle Eastern Muslim does much the same and I dare say European ones are similar. Can't we just talk about people who break the law and how it can be stopped, irrespective of race or creed?

Under the Franco regime in Spain if you wanted to drive a car you were advised to have a Bail Bond. This was an insurance policy that pledged to bail you out of jail if you were involved in a traffic accident otherwise you might rot there for years until your case came before the court. For those who believe that immigrants are bad for the country, maybe this could be a way out. You can enter the country only with compulsory insurance that would pay out in the event you used the NHS. I think we have enough laws already and discouraging tourism is not really in the National Interest.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 14:39:45 BDT
TomC says:
GtL

Do you approve of the mutilation of young girls genitals, or don't you? That's 24 times you have been asked.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 18:41:15 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 18:41:38 BDT
Isn't female circumcision more associated with the African religions? Not that I'm going to get into a frenzy over the equivalent of cutting the foreskin anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 19:06:08 BDT
Spin says:
CE: I think you are right in pointing out that female circumcision is an African tradition. I am not entirely sure what such a procedure involves ,whether it involves the removal of the clitoris itself or just the skin around it, as in male circumcision, but I find it quite abhorrent. The foreskin of the male genetalia is quite flexible, so to speak (in India gurus and religious mendicants lift weights with their penis, foreskin or testicles) but the female genitalia are, in my opinion, too delicate for God or Man to be messing with.
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