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In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2013 11:31:09 GMT
Cicero says:
It is a fact that the history of Ulster teaches that nothing is achieved without rioting and bloodshed. In my view, for once the rioters have right on their side.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2013 12:15:26 GMT
Huck Flynn says:
i'm not sure it's about what english people care about Brent. Unionists i know certainly don't want to be "English" - they have a sense of their own unique "Northern Irishness". You may have noticed that a bunch of folk to the north of you don't particularly want to be joined to you and yet you seem keen on preserving that union ? Sucessive english monarchs throughout history have cared enough to encourage their citizens to come over here and colonise for various selfish reasons. Maybe they would rather disown their descendants now or perhaps they should feel grateful that some still feel a strong loyalty and kinship with the homeland and traditions of their forebears. I suppose a country that allows thousands of colonial and "European" citizens every month to come over and colonise its territory should have no problem repatriating half a million loyalists :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2013 12:17:58 GMT
Huck Flynn says:
that's kinda glib - we're talking about "native" northern irish people here, not bits of turf (although that is a point of contention)

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2013 12:19:15 GMT
Huck Flynn says:
they're nothing without compromise and that's been a two way process here

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2013 13:08:33 GMT
Traditionally it was about protecting Britain's flank from Spanish and French attacks. Also, latterly, German. You probably know about the times Spain, France and Germany have sent troops (or in the case of Germany, agents) to Ireland as a launching pad to attack England.

As you must also know, the Normans first went in because they were invited by Dermot MacMurrough.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2013 14:13:12 GMT
Huck Flynn says:
also partly the early stages of empire building under Liz the First and the western trade routes, although this also served to compete with Spanish interests in the New World.

Posted on 10 Jan 2013 14:39:53 GMT
Spin says:
The current riots in NI are no more than kids running riot, egged on by elderly. out of touch wannabes. These riots are akin to the riots in london; youth with nothing to do and nothing to think about. If the riots in NI had something to do with actual political questions, the authorities would not be confronting kids throwing rocks and using laser pens...

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2013 22:43:58 GMT
Charlieost says:
Hi Clive. Well if the pundits are to be believed then we have crested the wave of recession over here. There seems to be an enormous disparity in the UK between the haves and have not muches. All the money seems to be hoovered up by the south east and stashed offshore. Of course that is a simplification but the British goverment does appear more intent on finding scapegoats then solutions. Twas the same when I worked in the UK during the Thatcher years.

I recently got paid 1,800 euro for three weeks roofing on a house, a job where we had to remove the slates, replace the timbers and insulate and felt and batton and then replace slates having had to source more because there is natural wastage when taking them off. A chimney either end with all the faffing that goes wth replacing the lead around chimneys. A fairly awful job with all that squatting and shifting the scaffolding onto uneven surfaces. Still it was good to get a bit of work before Christmas.

Anyhow, there is a point to this. I am not interested in sport apart from the odd bit of hurling but something caught my eye after the news so I put the sound back on and it was some row at training. I read the following day in the paper that the guy who caused the trouble and apparently is well known for it gets paid one hundred and seventy thousand pounds a week. Plays for one of the English clubs anyway.

So I guess some people are not having any recession in the UK. Doubt any of the royals are feeling the pinch either. Sorry to hear you are concerned about your business. Bit of a hand up for those needing it would probably help and a more fair division of the profits made within the country.

Ah sure. But suggest anything like that and you'd be seen as a Communist and look what happened to them. Jaysus, is that the time. Good luck. C

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2013 09:35:57 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Hi Charlie- the banks have been given taxpayers money to survive their own incompetence.

They are now paying huge fines for illegal activities. They pay off the guilty with immense packages ( Fred Goodwin ), but neither business nor working people can access cheap funding.

The government had an opportunity to sort the banks out- but they didn't, I wonder why?

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2013 11:42:11 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Clive,
I think the article I'm posting will give you an idea of why the Government can't sort the Banks out..
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence
The Bank of England was created in 1694 by a Scotsman William Paterson who famously said:
The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing. - William Paterson
Up until 1946 when it was nationalised the Bank of England was a private run bank that lent money it created out of nothing to the English government and was paid back with interest.
A famous story related to the bank and the Rothschilds is the Battle of Waterloo in which Nathan Rothschild used his inside knowledge of the outcome to play the market by selling his English bonds and giving the impression that the French had won therefore causing a rush by other brokers to sell quickly which drove the price down to 5% of their original worth.
Once the bottom had dropped out the market he then re-bought as much as he could and in doing so he multiplied his wealth twenty times in 3 days of trading. At the same time of being immensely wealthy he also became the single largest debtor to the English government which ultimately gave him control over the bank of England.
English bonds were a debt guaranteed by future tax revenue of the English government, therefore the taxes the citizens paid were going to pay the 8% interest that the English government had to pay to borrow the money.
As Nathan now controlled the majority of the English bonds he could determine the price and therefore the supply of the English currency which gave him great power over the countries finances.
"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply." - Nathan Rothschild
"Banking was conceived in iniquity, and born in sin. Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them, and all great fortunes like mine will disappear. And, they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But if you want to continue to be the slaves of the bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money, and control credit." - ABRAHAM LINCOLN

To read the whole article please open the link:

Hansard states that, BOEN is a company set up with the intention of holding shares confidentially on behalf of "Heads of State" and certain others.
That is to say, presumably, HM the Queen and her "immediate family" and certain governmental bodies....
Presumably the thinking here is that if those people were to buy them through normal means, then they would be visible to staff at share dealing companies and would regularly be leaked. This could, possibly, raise various security-related matters, and it could also, possibly, raise various rumours about matters related to the economy and the health, or otherwise, of certain companies.
In any case, BOEN is presently dormant, and is no longer exempt from company law disclosure requirements.
Imagining strange goings-on at BOEN is a complete distraction from reality.
The truth, as with most things, is quite prosaic.

Again.. the whole article..

Regards M.

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 13:47:26 GMT
Last edited by the author on 11 Jan 2013 13:52:13 GMT
Why are the rioters right Xpress?

A democratic decision was taken by the majority of the democratic elected Belfast city council to change the rules regarding the flying of flags at City Hall which better reflects the demographic make up of the city of Belfast.

Your sort of opinion gives justification to thuggery - the last thing Northern Ireland needs. What is clear is the continued problem is being orchestrated by a couple of out of control UVF commanders - even the UVF leadership cannot reign them in.

Their actions have made it impossible to reverse this decision as the Unionist leadership have admitted. To do so would send out the measure that thuggery works.

Mr Smith I think you will find I was simply replying to early insults from the Snail . As for Mother Superiors and education. They have, largely, gone and good riddance - the involvement of the catholic church in education was characterized by spiteful vindictiveness by so called Christians.
Also it would be helpful if false claims are checked before being posted i.e Brian said the Irish have benefited from tax reliefs - not in the North which is what this thread is about. It is good to check facts first.

Here is a humourous fact - 17th March is a designated day. 12th July is not. You couldn't make it up: )

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 15:40:20 GMT
Cicero says:
There are instances where the feelings of the electorate are strong enough to justify a o-turn by the authorities. The poll tax riots were a case in point and this is another. Belfast council must have known that the issue of the flag was going to be a highly contentious matter and they could have forecast a turbulent response. These riots are the voice of the citizens telling Belfast council that they have made a mistake and should put matters right.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 16:04:39 GMT
Colleen says:
Brian pet, it is not the Irish rioting. It is the unionists who claim to be British!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 16:10:48 GMT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jan 2013 16:11:17 GMT
Colleen says:
I am a citizen of the north. Putting the flag up shows that the petulant children can behave like thugs and get what they want. The rioters are ill-educated children. That is fact. The level of education is unionist areas is moronic. Now excuse me i'm going to go and start a riot so the tri colour will fly over the city hall. That is after all perfectly justified according to your logic.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 18:19:52 GMT
Cicero says:
That is the sort of logic one would expect. The Union flag is perfectly proper since Ulster has been part of Britain - by majority consent - since the partition. The flag of the Irish Republic has never applied to Ulster and is therefore irrelevant.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 08:54:26 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Colleen- are you saying that catholic nationalists do not riot? If so you might want to check your knowledge of Ireland. Or be less bigoted.

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 10:43:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Jan 2013 10:45:07 GMT
Xpress they are not the voice of the citizens of Belfast.

They are a small minority.
To reverse the decision would send out a signal that violence works and that would have terrible consequences.

I am losing count of the number of Protestant friends and work colleges who are disgusted with the rioters and have vowed not to vote for the Unionist parties in the future due to the way they have conducted themselves.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 21:21:52 GMT
Colleen says:
When did I say that? Can you read? LOL Pet I am a Nationalist and I think you will find that I am not on the street rioting. The discussion is about Unionist rioting. Get your facts straight before you question me on something you clearly don't understand.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 21:23:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Jan 2013 21:28:44 GMT
Colleen says:
Ulster has 9 counties. You will find that 6 of those make up the North. My identity isn't relevant, fascist much? The majority voted to take the flag in other words you only agree with democracy when it's in your interests.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 21:28:25 GMT
Cicero says:
The Unionist have a great deal to be unhappy about.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 21:29:42 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Jan 2013 22:00:00 GMT
Colleen says:
Yes, they can't get everything handed to them anymore and suffer from moronic levels of education. Boohoo. But of course the way to deal with it is to wreck their own community. That's the level of stupidity we have to deal with.

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 22:39:03 GMT
Charlieost says:
Just out of curiosity here and I am unsure whether anyone can give me an answer but an opinion would be just fine.

If one or perhaps two of the Northern Irish/British counties decided to hold a vote on whether they wanted to stay in the UK or join the Republic, would it be possible for them to do so. Surely the wishes of the people are paramount and since the tribe Cameron is threatening to hold a referendum on whether to stay in the EU then the same should apply for the six counties of Ulster on whether they, as a county, want to stay in the UK.

If the counties with a Catholic majority could and wished to succeed that would certainly re-draw the map. And would it be worth Britain hanging on to what is left?

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 23:06:42 GMT
Roma says:
An interesting idea. I think it would have to be the whole of NI to make such a decision. Certainly here in Scotland no one has ever thought of holding regional referenda. Have you any thoughts on how the various counties might vote?

Colleen You talk about moronic levels of education in your posts, not moronic behaviour. I m interested in knowing if you are suggesting that the education system received by sections of NI society contributes to their behaviour and if so how? Maybe you simply meant, however, that their behaviour in itself is moronic? I agree it is but am just ineterested in your explanation for it.

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 23:22:54 GMT
Spin says:
Erin go Bragh..

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 23:45:13 GMT
Roma says:
or Eirinn go Brach? (Sorry can t do accents.)
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