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In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:00:48 BDT
Hey Mr C, I'm up for a coup like.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:03:21 BDT
who's to say there is not, its what we make it and the outh have this funny way of growing up and shwoing us oldies that what we thought was cool and inventive was rubbish compared to their ideas, thus has always been the way. Anyway does anybody remeber there own school days, several prople at my school would have rioted and did all these things, most of them are now in prison, dead or junkies. The rest of us are modern society.

Parent your own children well, thats about all you can do.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:05:37 BDT
Cos we should this time send in the riot cops and "hang the little paint happy bastads up by their buster browns"

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:09:13 BDT
Gandalf was way more important than Jesus, ok Jesus turned water into wine, but Gandalf beat a Balrog, a demon of the ancient world and then also helped destroy Saurons ring.

Jesus would be a lot lower down than Gandalf in my eyes, maybe even Frodo.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:10:40 BDT
Maybe we could use Gas showers and bury them in mass graves

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:27:30 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hya Ko,
At last we are back to normal - disagreeing. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 17:38:53 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hya PP,
I agree. Video games do improve hand eye coordination, and TV and Films can be fantastic educational tools. But it is the content of some that I am troubled by. My Son has been a Game Designer for nearly twenty years and I expressed my concern to him about this and he used to tell me I was sooo out of touch. Now he wholeheartedly agrees with me, and says he can't understand why he didn't see it at the time. Which just goes to show, we never stop learning. Even old dogs like me.... Thankfully, their company is one of the top game producers in the World and are responsible and ethical so I am very proud of the work he does now.
I think it's totally unrealistic to think about banning what is already out there; but it really needs to be phased out and replaced it with more responsible stuff.
According to Stiener, puberty 14/15 is the time our eyes open and we see the world for the first time as it is. That is why it is important to make sure they are protected from unsavoury influences as they come to this milestone.
Because all our bits arrive and are in full working order we think we are adults and 'demand' to be recognised as so. Responsible parents acknowledge this and begin to give their kids more input into the decisions made for them...If they have any sense. It's far easier than bawling and shouting, and trying to dominate.
As you rightfully say, we have to learn from our mistakes, and find out for ourselves who we are as independent beings. We would never have got up and walked if we hadn't made mistakes and learned. What do you think a child does when you tell it not to touch the fire becasue it's hot? It needs to know what 'hot' is for itself, and so will attempt to touch it.... Same goes for drink, and drugs.. Make a big thing out of it and they'll do it even more. The problems become serious when Parents are too domineering. I have seen it too many times in my Career as Youth Worker and Social Work Support. My biggest sadness was the kids who became addicts. These poor mites have been exposed to too much too soon and feel there is no future and just want to escape. The only cure for this is Parental support and love. The answer imo is to increase family and community education in school, and less about drugs and sex. It is obvious to a blind man, as I said before, that if you tell a child about something, then it needs to know what it is and how it fits into it's life. I have lots of experience here... The weekend after my Daughter had sex education at school - she tried it out..... How did I know? She tried to cover the evidence by washing the white trousers she'd worn and hanging them wet through in her wardrobe. Whilst hanging some clothes up for her I saw the puddle, then found the trousers, and put two and two together......Fortunately we were very close and were able to chat about it.
You appear to be a great Daddy and are doing a grand job with your little poppet and she will never forget. My Daughter raided our loft this week looking for the books her Daddy read to her, so that she and her Hubby can read them to my Grandson.
As you say. ''Respect'' is crucial, in all walks of life. Even on here. And all children have the right to be respected. It's only when this right is not upheld that children become a problem. How many times have you seen children in Supermarkets, being roughed up by their parents? I can't bare this, and always have to speak up - of course I'm always told to F off, and asked what business it is of mine. My answer to this is that it has everything to do with me, because it is being done in front of me and spoiling the quality of my life and the child's. As a last resort I show them my ID..... That usually does the trick.
My advice to the parents I have 'supported' to stop kids showing off in the supermarket, is to give them their own list, that they've made out of pictures cut from magazines or flyers. This way they feel useful and 'important.' Which they are.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 19:36:38 BDT
gille liath says:
That comment is even more stupid than Glorify's. Keep in mind that two wrongs, on a forum or in the world, don't make a right.

Posted on 11 May 2012 20:03:27 BDT
Spin says:
The best jobs in the world are Games designer/developer, comic book writer/artist and Top Gear Presenter. =)

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 21:14:43 BDT
That's not true. The translator A.Y. Ali says that the reader as he understands more will feel like a traveller climbing a mountain: the higher he goes the farther he sees. He quotes the poet Keats' feelings when he discovered Chapman's Homer:

Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
When a new planet swims into his ken,
Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes.
He stared at the Pacific, - and all his men
Looked at each other with a wild surmise, -
Silent, upon a peak in Darien.

Later he talks about Dante's Divine Comedy, 'which towers like a landmark in mediaeval European literature.'

Very clever baiting - carry on!


In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2012 09:51:04 BDT
GTL is trying to say Islam is to blame for children's plight. I'm no muslim but I'm not thick enough to believe that for a second. Islam is not a new thing - far from it. Just generally wanted to keep religion out of this topic as it bares little to no relevence. And I do have reasons for resenting priests which I'm not going to go into.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2012 10:01:35 BDT
I live in Newcastle. The amount of kids with no respect is scary. They just run around like hooligans throwing bricks over houses and they've just learnt that if they set wheelie bins on fire, the fire brigade come out. Funny thing is, I know the kids by their faces but couldn't tell you who the parents are - I've never actually seen them come out the house.
You have more bottle than me, telling bad parents off in supermarkets mind. I tend to just play ignorant in that situation lol.

Education and good parentaning are things you can't pay for (education you debateably could pay for) yet they are very important in teaching kids respect. Your daughter married with child so she's obvo done fine as you have yourself, thanks to respect and solid parenting. I think you both deserve a pat on the back.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2012 13:36:01 BDT
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Pipkin says:
Hya PP,
Thanks for your positive comments. I think the person who deserves the pat on the back most was my Mum, who taught me everything I know, more or less. Especially about respect and standing up for rights. She was never backward at coming forward.
It isn't so much 'bottle' I have, as experience. I know from dealing with many different people, with all manner of problems, just how to approach things and diffuse them. I am never loud or aggressive, but always firm and assertive. I think that's the key.
You say that kids run amok where you live, I think that's pretty wide spread.... even in my vilage we had this problem. I solved it by taking photographs of them and assuring them that I would tell the Police if I saw them do anything again........Sometimes I didn't even have a 'film' in the camera, but it flashed, and that was enough of a deterent. I am well known for being a stickler for looking out for our community, and as the kids have grown up - when I see them in our local shop - we have had a laugh about how they pood themselves when I took photos. I did have only one bad experience, and that was a cocky lad who decided to send me a fire engine, but made the mistake of sitting on top of the park opposite me to watch. So I went round to see his parents...and asked them if they condoned his irresponsible behaviour. I never saw him again.....
You don't need money to be a good parent... in fact I would say that money is a distraction from being a good parent. We've never had a lot of money, and my kids were never 'spoiled.' They had second hand guitars, and basic things like footballs, books and bikes, cars and a few dolls. In fact my Daughter preferred to play with her brother's cars? And TV was never the focal point in our home.
Too many parents think that if they buy their kids tons of the latest gadgets or action figures then this will make them happy.... Happily not in 'need' of their parents attention... Wrong.
All a child needs is to share every experience with its family.
Like setting the table, helping prepare the dinner by putting butter on the bread, or scrapping potatoes, washing the pots, helping with dusting etc..
My little pumpkin even has his own hoover... He likes nothing better than helping out in the garden, hanging clothes out, walking in the countryside, and feeding ducks, playing pooh sticks on the river, chasing chickens, and watching cows. When he's in the house, we all play garages, sing nursery ryhmes, paint or draw, do number jigsaws and thread buttons. the latest thing is, becasue 'we' nearly always have a book or computer on our lap, he'll sit beside one of us and read....
We have him three days while my Daughter works and he is a dream - although he has just turned two and is beginning to assert himself and has taken to having tantrums when he's tired and doesn't want to sleep in case he misses something, so we have to be 'prepared' and ready with a distraction.
All a kiddy needs is cherishing and understanding. Even those who run wild. I had a lot of them at my Youth Club, and dealt with them by talking to them, and finding out what made them tick, then involved them by getting them to take on a role like helping out in the cafe area, or organising games, or even just taking the names of people coming into the club. I used to have lots of signs stuck around the hall. One of them I was reminded of when I saw one of my kids who had become an adult and he said he never forgot it... ''We may not have much money, but we can still have self respect'' This lad came from an exceptionally poor family and was ostracised by his peers but I gave him a 'job' in the Youth Club. He grew up to own his own Plumbing business. I'm not saying that I was responsible for this, but I know I helped; and that's the difference between respect and indifference.
I identify with what you said about Priests and agree completely. I also was let down by them....
Sorry, I appear to have written an essay.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2012 15:08:41 BDT
I love this whole idea of giving kids little 'jobs' like the list in the shops. I think this is a method which really helps develop kids into adults. I remember when I was younger and used to love being in charge of something, or have a responsibility even pushing the trolley, or locking the car mad it sounds but kids are easily amused.
Treating them like kids or wrapping them in cotton wool will ensure they remain kids, they don't get the chance to grow up.
Spending time with your kids is the best thing for them, its just a shame that time is something kids seem to be getting less and less of.

Thanks for the reply anyway, I have gained some knowledge and I'm going to use some of your role playing techniques when Brooke gets a bit older.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2012 23:22:02 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hya PP,
I'm glad I was of help. I get the impression that you will be a great Daddy and that you inherited that from your parents...
I have another tip... Lots of kids kick off at the mention of shopping, and will refuse to 'put their shoes and coats on.' As most children have more than one coat or one pair of shoes, it's always a good distraction, at the first sign, to 'ask' them which shoes/coat they want to wear to go shopping for their 'cereals.'
I've never known this to fail to distract them..... They just love making their own decisions, and it makes them feel important.
And it really doesn't matter if they don't match. I don't mean odd shoes :) although I did once take my nephew out in odd socks. He was happy and compliant, and I really don't think anyone noticed.
I love the name Brooke.

Posted on 14 May 2012 03:12:12 BDT
I see a problem with motivation. They want to play video games all the time, and it corrupts them. I can defend myself in saying so because my uncle is a Mennonite Minister, so no video games. The young people in his community are out working and learning how to run a business.

Posted on 14 May 2012 06:49:09 BDT
Jeeeeze what's with the downer on video games ?!? lol
They're not that bad !!

And to continue waving the flag for gaming, have a read of the below links (btw any claims made are referenced to actual studies or backed up with examples):

Now please, cut the games some slack !! =)

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2012 09:59:54 BDT
Every year our child grows you should be putting more responsibility on them based on their age and ability, thus by the time they are an adult, they can look after themselves. Which BTW is the one and only real job of a Parent.

P.s Dont balme movies and Games etc. unruly youth has been happening since before the records began, the rebellion of the youth is what helps to frshen up the world we live in, which by the way will be there world one day, not ours.

Youth is youth, parenting is either good and handles thye difficult teenage period, or its bad and messes up. unformtunately we cannpot go around and find bad parents and give them coaching.

Some people have kids and then dont give a damn.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2012 10:05:38 BDT
And also learning how to corrupt their mind with fairy stories and dreams of an afterlife.

Who decided Video games were bad and who's to say he is correct?

I play video games, to say I am unmotivated and ruining my life would be wrong.

I work, I ahev a family and I do let my son play video games, but its controlled by me, i.e, on a rainiy day when he is bored and I ahve housework to do he can get video games. when its dry and warm, he gets told no hgames, go out and play.

i.e. once again it has nothing to do with games, its good versus bad parenting.

And Good/bad aprenting is not linked to religious views.

So as an Atehist i'll take the pepsi challange with any theists parenting skills any day of the week.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2012 10:48:36 BDT
With you on that, I don't blame video games. Moderation is key and besides, my daughter is too young anyway, she would just try and eat the controller lol

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2012 11:52:14 BDT
My OSn plays Kinect, its great for little uns and the games can be really educatiuonal as well, such as sesame street, totally harmelss fun.

But he wants to play Btaman and Shooting games, Ive let him batter a few baddies in Btaman, but I know he is too young and I am quite strict, when he is older he'll get to play games of an appropriate age.

Or ones I deem ok after playing them first.

Posted on 14 May 2012 12:11:17 BDT
"Or ones I deem ok after playing them first." - Like it, I see where the logic is in that and I will be telling the missus the same.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2012 12:33:59 BDT

Posted on 14 May 2012 23:45:28 BDT
mister joe says:

Posted on 14 May 2012 23:53:06 BDT
mister joe says:
Margaret,you sound like a thoroughly decent person.If we we're in a pub i would treat you to a bag of salt and vinegar.Amazon needs more women posters,the amount of opionated males is suffocating.
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