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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 20:51:27 BDT
For starters, Rumsfeld would not have been my Defence Secretary.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 20:53:46 BDT
David Groom says:
Brian Blessed,

'Try answering my question about the drugs situation first and I will think about answering yours then :) '

You didn't ask a question. You made a statement that had nothing to do with 9/11.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 21:04:51 BDT
David Grime....do you not understand the story of the forty seven ronin?

Posted on 7 Apr 2013 21:22:04 BDT
Pipkin says:
Afghanistan is the main producer of opium in the "Golden Crescent". Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001. Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004¨C2007) than in any one year during Taliban rule.
Also, more land is now used for opium in Afghanistan than for coca cultivation in Latin America. In 2007, 92% of the non-pharmaceutical-grade opiates on the world market originated in Afghanistan. This amounts to an export value of about $4 billion, with a quarter being earned by opium farmers and the rest going to district officials, insurgents, warlords, and drug traffickers.
In the seven years (1994¨C2000) PRIOR RO A TALIBAN OPIUM BAN, the Afghan farmers' share of gross income from opium was divided among 200,000 families.
In addition to opiates, Afghanistan is also the largest producer of cannabis (mostly as hashish) in the world.
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Bush Admits ¡®Majority¡¯ of 9/11 Hijackers Were Saudis
Jon Ponder | Jan 16, 2008
Six years too late, George W. Bush finally acknowledged that 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were citizens of the U.S. ally, Saudi Arabia:

From 2003 to 2007, the number of people who believed Bush¡¯s lie dropped from 70 percent to 33 percent. Bush will never recover from the anger felt by the 37 percent of Americans who came to the realization that they had been lied to by their president.

¡°There¡¯s a lot of really good people here [in Saudi Arabia]. Look, you can¡¯t deny the fact that some, a majority, of the terrorists came from Saudi, but you should not condemn an entire society based upon the actions of a handful of killers.¡±......

It would have been nice if the interviewer, ABC¡¯s Terry Moran, had gotten Bush on the record about the Middle Eastern nation whose citizens were not represented among these 19 mass murderers.

The breakdown was 15 Saudis, one Egyptian, one Lebanese and two from the Union of Arab Emirates (UAE).

None were from Iraq.
A poll two years after the attacks, and six months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, 70 percent of Americans believed Iraq was responsible for the 9/11 attacks?
The fact that a solid majority of the public was misinformed was not an accident.' It was a result of a propaganda campaign deployed from the Bush White House:'
¡ö¡°We¡¯ve learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11, Saddam Hussein¡¯s regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. Some citizens wonder, after 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now? And there¡¯s a reason.¡±
- Bush in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002 (It was this speech in which the CIA forced Bush to remove a claim that Saddam had tried to purchase Nigerian uranium. The claim was reinserted as the famous ¡°16 words¡± in Bush¡¯s State of the Union speech the following January. When Amb. Joe Wilson called Bush on this lie, Cheney conspired to reveal the secret identity of Wilson¡¯s wife and thus betrayed a clandestine U.S. government operation that tracked the WMD black market. Cheney¡¯s man Scooter Libby took the fall for this treasonous act, apparently on the assurance that he would be pardoned for the crime before Bush leaves office.)
¡ö¡°But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaida terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated in collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaida lieutenants¡­¡± And¡­ ¡°We are not surprised that Iraq is harboring Zarqawi and his subordinates. This understanding builds on decades long experience with respect to ties between Iraq and Al Qaida... (CIA funded operatives) And¡­ ¡°Some believe, some claim these contacts do not amount to much. They say Saddam Hussein¡¯s secular tyranny and Al Qaida¡¯s religious tyranny do not mix. I am not comforted by this thought. Ambition and hatred are enough to bring Iraq and Al Qaida together¡­¡±
- Former Sec. of State Colin Powell, in his presentation to the UN Feb. 5, 2003, the majority of which, including the connections between Iraq and al Qaeda, has been discredited
¡ö¡°Before September 11, 2001, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents and lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons, and other plans ¨C this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.¡±
- Bush in his Jan. 28, 2003 State of the Union speech
¡ö¡°And for America, there will be no going back to the era before September the 11th, 2001 ¡ª to false comfort in a dangerous world. We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength; they are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans. We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities.¡±
- Bush in Sept. 7, 2003, address to the nation
¡ö¡°If we¡¯re successful in Iraq ¡­ we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.¡±
- Cheney on Meet the Press, Sept. 14, 2003
¡ö¡°Saddam Hussein posed a risk in a region from which the 9/11 threat emerged.¡±
- National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, Sept. 2003
¡ö'Saddam Hussein had long established ties with al Qaeda.¡±
- Cheney, campaigning for reelection on June 14, 2004
¡ö¡°The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September the 11th, if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi, and if we yield the future of the Middle East to men like Bin Laden.¡±
- Bush, June 28, 2005
¡ö¡°That¡¯s right.¡±
¨C Dick Cheney, on ¡°Meet the Press,¡± Sept. 10, 2006, when asked by Tim Russert, ¡°Well, I asked you. I said, is there a connection between Saddam and 9/11 on September ¡¯03, and you said, we don¡¯t know.¡±

But if you thought the case against Saddam¡¯s masterminding of the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, has been resolved, think again. Just four months ago, in September 2007, a staggering one-third of Americans still say they believe the Iraqi government was behind the attacks.
Over the four years between these two polls, the number of people who believed Bush¡¯s lie about Iraq dropped from 70 percent to 33 percent. The anger, betrayal and embarrassment felt by the 37 percent of Americans ¡ª roughly 111 million people ¡ª who came to the realization that they had been lied to by their president is now and will forever be the defining element of George Bush¡¯s legacy. In our country¡¯s short history, no disinformation campaign by our government has been costlier in American blood and treasure.

They will never forgive him, and nor should they.
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http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication.html
BBC¡¯s killer documentary called ¡°The Power of Nightmares¡°. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after ¡°the bad guy of their choice¡± namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and ¡°criminal organizations¡± such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government¡¯s story of Al-Qaeda, a ¡°group¡± or criminal organization they could ¡°legally¡± go after. This video documentary is off the hook¡­

Michael Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com had his website hacked right before Obama was about to make the announcement about Osama Bin Laden being killed. Why hack his website at this time? Michael gave this response:
Yes, we were hacked. Starting just moments before President Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden, our website was hit with what the hosting company described as a massive distributed denial of service attack, no doubt to prevent the public from accessing the documentation showing Bin Laden actually died in December of 2001 of natural causes. My concern here is that the US or Israel will now stage a false flag attack on the US, claim it is "revenge" by "Al Qaeda", and use it to justify total war on all Arab/Muslim nations. The US may start WW3 just because they cannot think of anything better to do!
Besides the reasons given above for announcing that Osama Bin Laden has been killed at this time, there are many others including increasing Obama's chances for re-election to make him look like a hero for killing the world's most wanted "terrorist" during his presidency.
It also puts him in a great position to have the whole country unified behind him around the issue of "bringing the 9/11 killers to justice". It also promotes the exposed myth about the false flag 9/11 event being done by Muslims and keeps that fresh on the minds of Americans. The news media is doing non-stop propaganda, pulling out all the stops to broadcast this event in the most excellent manner. Even searches in Google to get information about Osama dying in 2001 is drowned out by a proliferation of hits dealing with him being killed in 2011.
Pakistan is also in the cross hairs of the US for "harboring" Osama Bin Laden. The US is ramping up for another full scale war on Pakistan using OBL amongst other reasons for justification. They want to invade Pakistan to clean up the "terrorists".
Please check out the information below showing proof of Osama Bin Laden's death in 2001. Make sure to go to the links listed for further verification. After claiming that they have Osama Bin Laden's body and taking DNA tests, the media is now reporting that Osama Bin Laden has been buried at sea.
How convenient!!!
Well I guess we have no way now of verifying if their claims were true. I think more likely it would have been verifying how false their claim was if anything.
As dumb goyim we have to blindly believe our media and government! With Osama Bin Laden's body buried somewhere under the sea we have no way of ascertaining the truth. Their claim in burying Osama so fast is to fulfill the requirements of a Muslim burial as if they respected him so much or the crimes that they associated with Osama had anything to do with Islam. But what Muslim burial tradition were they following?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 21:26:32 BDT
David Groom says:
Simon DHB,

'David Grime....do you not understand the story of the forty seven ronin?'

What exactly is the relationship between an 18thC Japanese story and the US government in 2001?

Posted on 7 Apr 2013 22:06:09 BDT
Pipkin says:
Because of the strong religious sentiments that fill their minds, rural Afghans were still mostly captivated by the Taliban at the beginning of 1997. Others are appalled at the rigidly orthodox dictates of these `self-proclaimed arbiters' of Islamic rectitude ...
Taliban interpretations of the Shariah are 'foreign deviations alien to the Islam' practiced in Afghan society which has always stressed moderation, tolerance, dignity, individual choice and egalitarianism.

WARFARE AND CIVIC CULTURE
The Soviet-Afghan war caused grave injury to the civic culture of Afghanistan. The destruction and disruption wrought by the magnitude of the lethal technology employed was exponentially greater than that of any previous invasion in the past.

In addition to extensive ecological damage, including the vicious destruction of Kabul that dwarfs anything previously experienced, the war stretched taught the fabric of the society, threatening to undermine its confidence.

National traits once honoured hallmarks of Afghan character were jeopardized. Tolerance for others. Forthrightness. Aversion to fanatics. Respect for women. Loyalty to colleagues and classmates. Dislike for ostentation. Commitment to academic freedom. All were compromised. And the Taliban began to domnate.

Two generations of children have grown up without knowing the joys of childhood, their lives concentrated instead on how to avoid death and deal with emotions associated with death. The war has left terrible scars on minds as well as bodies. These scars threaten to undermine the traditional social infrastructure which served for decades to dampen ethnic, religious, cultural and linguistic differences in this complex multicultural society.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread348857/pg30

NATO airstrikes muder 13 more innocent Afghanis 11 of them children!

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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 23:33:22 BDT
David Groom says:
Brian Blessed,

'You're not sure that the US did carpet bomb Afghanistan or not?'

Had they done so, then there would be nothing left, but there is, so no it wasn't carpet bombed. Yours is emotive language, out of touch with reality.

'Really YOUR grasp of facts is very limited and comfirms your dismissive attitude towards anything vaguely anti US.'

I like to deal in reality, not your warped view of it. Still no idea what you would have done then on 9/11?

'Underlined by the admission that you think the Daily Mail gets near the truth.'

You seem obsessed with the Daily Mail. Oh, and your understanding of English is also flawed, but then I'm guessing you are a Sun reader or is it the Beano?

'How laughable from a sad old warmonger sat in his closeted little world.'

Says a lot for the sort of person you are if you are prepared to laugh at those you consider handicapped. You probably snigger at disabled people or kick their wheelchairs over, don't you? The sort of vile, ill-educated, prejudiced and plain old bigotted creature that I wouldn't give the time of day to. You see, it's easy to work out somebody's true characteristics from an analysis of what they type.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 00:10:56 BDT
A customer says:
Sorry Mr Groom but you couldn't be further from the truth.
I'm disabled due to a workplace accident that left me in a wheelchair so being able to deduce what people are from what they write hasn't worked for you has it?

I would like to be able to kick a wheelchair over and walk away from it - My own, but I can't due to severe spinal injuries.

I've deduced a lot from your writings on here though from my observations of you over the past couple of months.
A vain priggish man out of touch with reality who doesn't have any empathy and can't work out that most people other than his little clan on here laugh at his rantings

A sad failure who haunts the politics forum 24/7 to mouth his Neo Liberal fantasies to anyone who drops in.

Posted on 8 Apr 2013 10:11:20 BDT
A customer says:
Looks like Amazon being an American company doesn't like being told a few home truths about their own country.

Namely the carpet bombing of Afghanistan and the huge loss of innocent civilian lives.
With the latest helicopter strike in that country killing 10 children.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 10:56:52 BDT
Paranoid like you Brian?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 11:38:33 BDT
The relationship:

David Grime, the fount is pleased to offer help to help others raise their being...however it is not his job to provide the energy...you must do the work Grimey...otherwise these boards become simply jibber jabber...

However the fount is not without compassion...so...

The Ronin waited....waited....waited.....--now think back..-.supposing after the twin tower attacks the USA....did nothing (apparently).....yet..,behind the scenes...planning, intelligence gathering...watching, learning....then ....years later a strike on the whole Al Queda network....take them out in one swift strike!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 13:08:14 BDT
Ooooooooooooooooh!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 13:22:38 BDT
No...whooooooooooohhhh...not Ooooooooooooooh!...get it right.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 13:28:13 BDT
Spin says:
ME: Given the current disorder, it is obvious Afghanistan will descend into chaos, and many lives will be lost, once the allied forces leave and the war between the Taliban and the Afghan government resumes.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 13:34:52 BDT
Nay Funtey. My <<Oooooooooooh!>> was an expression of wonderment at your cunning, genius and strategic brilliance. No whoooooooooohhh about it.

Posted on 8 Apr 2013 13:36:00 BDT
easytiger says:
How come there were only 47 Ronin? Lucky japanese number? Great film with De Niro though.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 15:04:25 BDT
Beloved could be milked for kindness (if he had udders).

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 15:42:51 BDT
Now you're getting carried away.

Trade slow?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 15:48:24 BDT
The fount is at home...Seal training..150 press ups...50 palm up chins...100 sit ups..10 minutes tabata...

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 16:05:30 BDT
The Funty IS carried away.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 16:07:10 BDT
Is The Funtoy wearing the posing pouch?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 16:12:08 BDT
The Funty posts:

<<The Funty is at HOME>>

What!!!! The Funty has a home like simple folk do? I'm disillusioned, heartbroken. I believed The Funty was a superior being...god like in her level of evolution...beyond 'home'.
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