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petition to get amazon to pay corporation tax in the uk.

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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 14:37:03 GMT
I'm the same. But tax is not directly paid to the above mentioned establishments. Tax pays for alcohol for alcoholics, drugs for drug addicts, homes for immigrants of the illegal kind. Imagine if you could select where your tax is paid? Now that would be a good system. No money to dole wadding scroungers, money to those who need it. Fair tax that doesn't pay for a politicians conservatory build on their second home, or a 'foreign conference'. If tax paid for what we all wanted it to pay for, I'd happily pay it, but the truth is that it doesnt.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 15:16:43 GMT
Ian says:
"Tax whiners should also reflect on what the services from schools to rubbish collection abd health services might cost if they had to pay for them on an individual basis rather than collectively through taxrs"

Agreed! Friends in the US on a similar salary to mine think they are better off because they pay less tax, until I point out how much more their insurance costs (that's what happens if you live in a timber house and have a volunteer fire department), how much their employer pays for their health insurance (their salary would be much higher if they paid taxes for system like our NHS - the US spending on public healthcare is about the same % of their earnings as ours. But we treat everyone for that price, they just treat a few and the rest rely on insurance).

Posted on 17 Dec 2012 15:28:05 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 19:08:16 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Dec 2012 19:19:27 GMT
H. Easton says:
What he says is true, though. Any additional taxes amazon are forced to pay become an operating cost of the business, which they'll build into the price of their products. Their profits remain the same but their prices go up. We the customer are always the ones who end up paying. Not that it'll ever happen, because if the government were to start heavily taxing the UK-based parts of their operation, then they'll just move the warehouses, admin and everything else to Ireland or some other more tax friendly EU country and ship from there. Under EU law there is absolutely nothing the government could do about it.

P. S. The underlying problem that people seem to be missing is that government spending is completely out of control and needs to be massively cut back, otherwise we're shortly going to go the way of Greece, Spain and Portugal.

Posted on 17 Dec 2012 20:27:50 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Dec 2012 20:42:11 GMT
'then they'll just move the warehouses, admin and everything else to Ireland'

Er the admin has been moved to Ireland and Luxembourg.

If the warehouses are moved abroad because Az are being chased for tax then it will not make the slighest difference because the goods have been sold to the customer here....and do you really think building warehouses in Ireland or other parts of the EU to distribute goods here by road is wise?

If so why do Tesco and Sainsbury's not build warehouses in tax friendly Iceland and Greenland to transport their goods here?.....Another brainwashed half a brain cell that thinks we have to grovel to multinational companies for them to sell goods to us.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 21:12:17 GMT
S Wood says:
On subject of taxes turning into customer costs-- to an extent thats true - big deal - but also Amazon will have to compete on level playing field with U.K based concerns so it will have to compete on price with these so its likely that the sgareholdets would take a hit - about time.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 21:30:32 GMT
S Wood says:
On the subject of public spending (and by implication tax policy) - Public spending is not out of control - it relatively high as a proportion of the total economy historically because of the baleful effects of the 2008 crash which were nothing to do with the public sector other than the regulatory agencies which were marching hand in hand to a tune the private financial sector played.

The more relevant problem is the way that weve been running our economy - an out of control financial sector, a privileging of capital over labour that gas seen the share of wages-salaries drop as a share of total economic activity, and on the tax side certain parts of the economy - in particular the trans national sector and wealrhy individuals have been taking us all for a ride.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 01:55:07 GMT
Ensconced in close company with an earnest Left I have learned at first hand the serious error of my judgement. I must now atone for my former sin of believing in market forces and base human nature. So quick, make haste and gather close, for I have a tale to tell which may not wait in the telling. Two things have I learned:

In my hand I grasp the fertile beans of the Socialists' Magic Money Tree. Sown wisely they will reap prosperity for all and I bestow to you the formula, as vouchsafed to me by that elder. I know you will use it to benefit all mankind.

State employees are paid out of taxation. From this tax-funded wage, they in turn pay tax, which creates employment for those who collect the revenue. So, the principle is clear; public employment actually creates more employment. By logical extension then, employing more public employees will eventually create full employment and end the need for a welfare state, which was all the fault of the capitalists in the first place, according to gospel.

When I queried where the money came from to pay these wages I was informed, as if to a backward child, that it came, of course, from the original tax take. "From the private sector?" I offered, to be met with skyward-rolled eyes. "No, silly," he said, "we get it from the first batch of public employees." I objected that as they are paid more than they are taxed this couldn't work, but "Aaaaah" he said, tapping his nose, if we tax them at 25% then after four weeks we've got it all back and after five weeks we're in profit!"

So, there you have it, the key to all the world's economic problems. Close the factories, board up the mines and let the fields go to grass, for all can be solved by employing everybody as tax collectors, inspectors, ministers, councillors, coordinators, evangelists, champions and various other jobsworths in Marxist heaven.

Lest you think this is levelling up the playing field by progressively digging down to bedrock and then keeping going, let me reassure you that the wise one would brook no argument against his thesis. The money tree is real.

But wait! I said I learned of two things. The second is almost as far-reaching as the first. You may need to sit down to hear this particular gem, but to this old fool - and there's no fool like an old-skool fool - the BBC is nothing more or less than the propaganda arm of the establishment. That's right, folks. According to the Left, the BBC is institutionally right-wing.

You couldn't make it up.

PS: For anybody who subscribes to any form of left-of-centre ideology, I should explain this this post may best be described as satirical reportage. You know, because you have no sense of humour and all that...

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 20:36:24 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 03:11:37 GMT
S Wood says:
Very droll and no doubt a comforting caricature for you... Besides that while you wax lyrically on what you imagine - perhaps sincerely believe - to be left of centre or marxist thinking you dont have to address the points made.

Posted on 22 Dec 2012 09:11:54 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Just a small observation.
From many years
Large Companies do practice 'Tax Economy'. Their ordinary employees do not have that option (PAYE).
I am a great user of Amazon and apprecaite their contribution to 'Market Place'.
I would like it if they apprecaited the UK populations contribution to their profits.
Of course if they did I expect we might find a few increases in's the way of the world.
Just saying.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 13:00:17 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 18:53:41 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Well said Dav45, thanks for pulling me out of torpor.
The floor is yours sir,
Best Regards

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2012 10:43:45 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Dec 2012 10:50:19 GMT
Yes a very good point. The margins are insane, considering Amazon themselves sell very little - Very much like the card processing company I work for, they take a cut of every sale that goes through Amazon - a very lucrative market indeed. Even still, its soooo much better than ebay (paypal equally bad for dodging tax btw!!!)

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 22:20:25 GMT
It's tempting to just reply 'idiot' to this. But on the other hand, it seems a huge waste of time to state the obvious and explain why this is idiotic, so I'll just say 'idiot'...

Posted on 23 Mar 2013 18:07:40 GMT
Amazon's tax dodging has changed my book buying habits and I do now make an effort to use other sources, abebooks for example, or the local high street, rather than just feel slightly guilty but go ahead anyway and buy on amazon regardless. So, one person can't make a mega-corporation change its behaviour, but if we all did?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Mar 2013 18:14:50 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Mar 2013 18:15:17 GMT
Pendragon says:

"I do now make an effort to use other sources, abebooks for example,"

Ah. Evidently I am not the only person who until recently did not realise that, as of about 5 years ago, Amazon in fact own AbeBooks. So buying from Abe = buying Amazon! I was told this by the proprietor of one of Cambridge's second hand bookshops only last Wednesday (as I was buying a second hand book from him!).

Just checked, found this on Abe's website at

"AbeBooks is a subsidiary of, Inc. AbeBooks, an online bookselling pioneer, was acquired in December 2008 and remains a stand-alone operation with headquarters in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, and a European office in Dusseldorf, Germany."

Posted on 23 Mar 2013 19:31:25 GMT
J. Forbes says:
Companies pay what they are obliged to pay. It is up to the government to pass appropriate laws to prevent multi-national companies from, quite legally, making their profits in low-tax jurisdictions.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 08:36:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 7 Apr 2013 08:39:02 BDT
Heretic says:
I am being hit by austerity cuts that would not be necessary if companies like Amazon paid their fair due in taxes. Sort of a side issue but the government is trying to pretend through their agents that lots of disabled are suddenly cured just so they do not need to pay them as much - with no regard to the suffering caused. Those that are just swinging the lead know how to avoid the government systems (sort of like how amazon knows how to avoid paying taxes [same mindset needed])

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 09:36:56 BDT
Garscadden says:
You could have just scrolled down to the bottom of the page, and seen the link. Amazon don't seem to hide that they own Abe, or Book Depository, and never have done.
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