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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 12:52:11 BDT
You'd soon notice what it feels like to be free to have an empty belly if you were free to live in NKerland.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 12:57:24 BDT
PPP,

<<We are in fact educated to be free - teachers and the media encourage children to question established authority and investigate facts for themselves>>

If only that were the case what a wonderful world it would be. Your argument assumes: a) that teachers are free and wide awake themselves, not conditioned sleepwalkers; b) that they and the media are do not accept the status quo, when in reality they do overwhelmingly.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 13:00:32 BDT
PPP,

Being free or not, has nothing to do with specialising in this or that.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 13:05:30 BDT
PPP,

Yes UKey is not like NKerland, folk here are materially better off, much more so, dissenters are not sent to gulags.

People here appear to be free to decide for themselves but for most it's an illusion because of the years of conditioning they've received. It's more subtle and sophisticated than in NKerland but it's conditioning all the same

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 13:56:30 BDT
David Groom says:
Simon DHB,

'In my opinion North Korean people have a different freedom than the UKeydonkey peeps...they are free from Coca Cola, McDonalds etc'

You have a weird idea of the term 'freedom', where it means that an individual is prevented from experiencing something by a government official, as opposed to having a choice whether to experience it or not. Sorry, but that's not freedom. As far as the UK goes, you or I or anybody else, can choose whether to drink coca-cola or not. Now that's genuine freedom, not your peculiar forced freedom, where being denied something is somehow 'free.'

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 14:08:52 BDT
David Grime...all words are made up...the deep structure of language is unique for each individual. If you understood how language works you would not make so many silly comments like "You have a weird idea"....weird according to Grime?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 14:11:49 BDT
If I was faced with the choice of UKey or NKerland, it would be no contest, I'd stay here. On any measure you like to choose life here is superior to NK.

However do you really believe that most people in UKey are free, in the most fundamental sense of the word?

Do you think they are free to make independent choices about anything much of any importance.

If they are, then given the lives they lead they have chosen to commit slow suicide.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 14:13:44 BDT
He's 'free' to make them like a cockerel is free to crow.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 14:40:18 BDT
David Groom says:
Simon DHB,

'If you understood how language works you would not make so many silly comments like "You have a weird idea"....weird according to Grime? '

Weird as in diametrically opposite to the defined and accepted meaning of the word 'freedom'. I see you have reverted to your usual defence of trying to introduce the 'language' argument rather than the substance of the matter. Symptomatic of your lack of understanding I'm afraid.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 14:47:20 BDT
David Groom says:
Gordon Bennett,

'However do you really believe that most people in UKey are free, in the most fundamental sense of the word?'

Rather than debate the semantics of the meaning of the word 'freedom,' how about you defining what additional things you believe we should be free to do/have/be in order to improve the freedom of citizens of the UK. You could certainly argue that we are not free to murder others, at least not without severe penalty, but the freedom to do so isn't one I personally would wish to see introduced, even though not being allowed to do so is an infringement of people's freedom. I'm rather struggling to understand what else you would like to see made 'free', and by this I don't mean bus passes for the elderly or other such benefits.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:02:44 BDT
What is superior here in the UK is the high levels of violence, crime and drug abuse....oh yes!

Posted on 30 Jul 2013 15:04:12 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Yes, try getting decent drugs in NK. Much better here. I'm out of my tree now as it happens

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:05:00 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:05:50 BDT
Good post, lucid, dynamic....

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:10:00 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:17:52 BDT
Now then, now then off you go and open your shop in Nkerland you'd see what the word 'dump' means.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:22:56 BDT
What warranted the deletion?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:27:42 BDT
Charlieost says:
No Gordon. It does not. Though living in Ireland now I still get the Guardian for the paper and comment and out of habit perhaps. I can get Irish news online if I want to follow up a story and on TV. There is so much less happens here and there is no paper except perhaps the Irish Times and I can read through that in five to ten minutes.

The press is not great over here. Recent example is an anouncement by Davey stockbrokers that most people with mortgage arrears are deliberately defaulting. This was printed on the front page of a newspaper today with no comment or question in the inside pages. This is bad and slipshod journalism and people deserve better.

Anyhow, I digress. It must be twenty years now since I lived and worked in the UK. It seems that the current mad rush for privatisation is akin to the Californian gold rush. I thought that dear old Maggie had sold everything worth anything but now things like the Post service is up for grabs (I thought that belonged to the queen anyway, well kinda). I mean how on earth can a profit be made from the search and rescue services? Are they going to charge people to rescue them or do flights around the bay for tourists when they do not have a call out?

It seems absolutely mental.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:28:27 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jul 2013 15:31:31 BDT
Oh dear it seems the censor don't like the expression 'smart *$$'

DG,

No need for smart alec (hope that's deemed OK), sarky comments like, freedom is a free 'bus pass for the elderly'...neither do I. I'm not talking about such things.

And no need for facetious comments like <<freedom to murder>>, I'm not talking about that either.

Do you really think that a child dragged up on a sink estate in Speke by a single mother on the Social with 5 siblings by different fathers and 'educated' at Parklands High school is as free as Nick Clegg's sprogs?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:29:37 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jul 2013 15:39:23 BDT
See my repost below, lol. Free speech.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:31:08 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi PPP. Wasn't there some fuss years ago about the queen refusing to allow a labour prime minister to take power in Australia even though he had been voted in by the people. I only remember it vaugley. Perhaps someone else has a better rememberance of it.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:37:41 BDT
Are you claiming NKerland is 'superior' to Ukeyland?

I'll choose the latter every time, however that doesn't mean I believe it's free here, that we have free choice, that all folk have the same 'free' choice or freedoms, that all folk or even most are wide awake,. Anyone who does is a blinkered idiot, in my most humble opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:42:19 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Thanks. You should up your dosage.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:46:57 BDT
Written with the self-awareness one achieves when out of one's 'ead on dope...and "the doors of perception were cleansed", dear Gnome.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2013 15:48:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jul 2013 15:48:38 BDT
Could he have been a little sarky, I know it's not in his nature, but...
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