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The UK should just accept the inevitable and embrace Islam

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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2013 20:15:07 BDT

Posted on 12 Jun 2013 21:58:30 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2013 23:02:37 BDT
Imran Munir says:
I, like many, many others, wish it were this simple. The current state of the Muslims globally is unique in Islamic history, There was a point in when the Islamic civilization led the world in mathematics, sciences, geography, agriculture, interest free economics etc etc. For us to go from there, to what we are today has taken a long time and many events have happened to contribute to this. We're not going to be able to change that overnight. Unfortunately, it's one heck of a challenge as there are numerous factors and agendas at play aimed at maintaining the status quo. What concerns me most, is the almost collaborative, consistent efforts of the media to demonize Muslims - and that it's becoming the norm.

Please also remember, that there are many of us who are working towards changing this position against an overwhelming amount of challenges coming in at us from almost every angle. Can't remember who said it but, the most difficult thing to do, to introduce, is change.

Posted on 13 Jun 2013 08:02:47 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2013 12:13:41 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2013 13:54:58 BDT
Spin says:
Imran: Indeed, Muslims have greatly contributed to science and mathematics. But their being Muslim had nothing to do with it. It was not Islam that enabled these thinkers to contribute to knowledge; it was their own curiosity and intelligence. Mendel was a Christian, and his work on genetics greatly advanced our knowledge. But one would hardly credit Christianity itself as contributing to genetic research and theory. Ones religion has nothing to do with ones intellectual endevours. Islam used to be a "progressive" religion, many, many centuries ago, until it was adapted as a cultural norm, thus stifling artistic and scientific enquiry.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2013 15:57:54 BDT
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SilverSurfer says:
Well said Spin..progress is nothing to do with religion, science and the raw inquisitive mind should be encouraged to improve what we have for our existence and not be smothered by any form of religion as we would have never progressed . Most religions have no proof that following them improves lives or extends it, but I do believe that having faith in something whatever that may be may help keep you focussed science is for me...evidence and proof.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2013 19:05:32 BDT
Jack S hit,

Why do you say that?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2013 19:41:46 BDT
TomC says:
Cos he don't know Jack's hit ?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2013 12:55:26 BDT
I just read an article on the Commentator website and it echoes an accelerating invasive phenomenon that I have seen at close quarters and always been concerned about. A few years ago, for entirely practical reasons, I moved to this house in an area you might describe as just one step up from white trash. It was never particularly nice, but I've been away for five years and what I see now I have returned makes me angry; how could it not?

Six of them. Six of the noisy little beggars playing loudly in the street and because of their cultural norms, playing loudly in the street until very late. A group of their male teenage and early-twenties role models driving noisy quad bikes with poor silencers around and around the streets for hours on end. I can't help but feel - given the preponderance of former industrial waste land in the area - that they could have more fun elsewhere yet here they are, night after night. And where just five years ago you saw their sisters and mothers wearing western dress they now resemble tall, sinister, black bin bags.

While the local Hindus and Sikhs run legitimate businesses and are generally well respected and accepted, the Muslims display an obvious and intentional reliance on benefits and cash-in-hand working and breeding for benefits and an utter refusal to integrate with other faiths and sensibilities. Nationally they parade an agenda which they no longer feel the need to hide; nothing less than to dominate the entire world.

It's not offensive to tell the simple, observable truth. Islam is not beautiful as many of its supporters claim, it is ugly and sordid and primitive and wrong. And it is utterly alien to western civilization. There is not a single overtly Islamic country I can think of which is not held together by force and fear. I wonder that more anti-Islamic activity is not reported but then I've also seen how enthusiastically governments and their police have prosecuted `hate crimes'. A hate crime is anything which is seen as a threat to the left-liberal doormat policy of lying down and being trampled to death.

Surely there can be no more hateful a crime than to use a country's generosity as a tool of invasion? To use a country's tolerant nature against it. To wage war with wombs. We simply must not stand by and be conquered by birth rates. Yet we will because nobody dare lift a finger to prevent it. The only way that will happen is going to be atrocious. I can only thank anything but Allah that I will probably die before the real horror and bloodshed starts.

The Koran should be renamed 'Mein Koranf'.

So, bring on the Mohammed cartoons, fly the flags of ridicule, point and laugh at the stupidity and hatred of Islam and flatly refuse to accommodate its offensive ways. Make Islam a laughing stock and make its embrace a bar to advancement in British society. Yes, discriminate. Only when the young are ashamed of their parents and reject their destructive heritage will integration begin to happen; Islam is not welcome here. Oh and keep eating bacon for as long as they allow it.

Posted on 14 Jun 2013 15:27:53 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
Mr D.L. Martin, well written comment, this thread has certainly proved to be very provocative and just to make it clear I mean verbally !

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2013 15:29:25 BDT
SilverSurfer says:
Well said Imran..

Posted on 14 Jun 2013 16:05:45 BDT
Oh dear, D.L. Martin, so sorry you had to brush shoulders with us 'white trash', but at least your eyes are now opened to the quality of life at the bottom of heap.

Posted on 14 Jun 2013 16:27:09 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2013 19:10:47 BDT
Jack S hit,

OK, so stop doing it yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2013 19:21:40 BDT
Kooks speaks....who

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2013 19:27:12 BDT
Many people don't subscribe to any religion as they are free to do in this country. Our unwritten constitution and way of life is based on Christian guidelines such as the ten commandments, likewise, our parliament, the model for the world where the speakers chair was once the altar at Westminster. There are many forms of Islam but it seems to be the peculiar woman hating, revenge seeking fanatical, male dominated form that is a threat to this country. People are complacent about their way of life but there are lessons to be learned from Nazi Germany and Southern Ireland, a country totally controlled by religious zealots, the hospitals, schools, the constitution, rewritten by a bishop and the suffering of intellingent people caught In this miasma. There is a lot of hatred towards Islam and its followers in this country. We are not so passive, gullible and complacent as would appear. There could be civil war.

Posted on 15 Jun 2013 00:27:25 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2013 00:29:12 BDT
The bitter irony is that the Muslim moral code of life is very similar to that of the Ten Commandments.
Indeed, many of my Muslim friends attitudes towards the family, and community echo those which sadly, we as Christian citizens have lost sight of since World War Two.

There is nothing wrong with not stealing, not murdering, not committing adultery et al.

Sadly, we, as a so-called modernized western society, have lost sight of most of these values, much to our detriment.

To hoist myself further by my own petard, I would go on to say that the concept of shame and self-respect, are those aspects of community which the Muslims have preserved, but which we have lost.

The widespread acceptance of homosexuality, single parenthood and other negative aspects of human behavior are all things which we westerners have been brainwashed into thinking are normal, whereas the Muslim community see them for what they truly are, that is deviant, un-natural, and not to be tolerated.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2013 00:32:03 BDT
If yoiu are at the bottom, the only way is up, so what are you doing sitting on your backside complaining about your lot?

Why are you not getting up and doing something about it, rather than blaming everyone else in society for your own bloody failings?

Get up, and get going.

A life spent moaning is a life spent doing nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2013 09:04:21 BDT
You are an anti-Muslim racist.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2013 09:19:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2013 09:19:46 BDT
You racist.

Posted on 15 Jun 2013 09:21:51 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2013 09:22:19 BDT
Racists on this thread:

Mr D.L Martin
Miss P Collins

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2013 09:36:26 BDT
Dear do you define the label "racist"?

Posted on 15 Jun 2013 09:46:15 BDT
Racists on this thread:

Mr D.L Martin
Miss P Collins
J Forbes
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