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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 23:17:09 BDT
Charlieost says:
Gordon. You seem to be in a minority of one. :)

Posted on 11 Apr 2013 23:19:14 BDT
Charlieost says:
Two perhaps with David but one can never be sure. To be sure.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Apr 2013 23:34:50 BDT
Does that mean I'm wrong?

Posted on 11 Apr 2013 23:43:49 BDT
Di says:
'She transformed the economy'.... (Well, with all that money coming in from privatisation the economy would look good. But now we are dependent on the overseas owners of our utilities to manage them and they are all out to make big profits at the expense of the consumer. And we hardly manufacture anything now).... 'BUT Society hasn't died'.

Posted on 12 Apr 2013 10:05:53 BDT
Please do NOT remove the wooden stake.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 10:14:07 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Reagan was recently voted the best President ever I believe. I recall that in despair rather than to counter your view by the way.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 10:16:18 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Yes, along with the money coming in from North Sea oil (spent on tax cuts) she sold off the family silver. The ultimate in buy now, pay later living. Another great legacy.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 10:40:18 BDT
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David Groom says:
Di,

'But now we are dependent on the overseas owners of our utilities to manage them and they are all out to make big profits at the expense of the consumer. And we hardly manufacture anything now'

UK manufacturing is currently around 12% of GDP, which is actualy higher than the US and France, but not Germany, so your statement about us hardly manufacturing anything simply isn't true at all. Furthermore a businessman the other day (can't remember who) actually pointed out that the value of manufactured goods is higher now than in the 'boom' times of the 1960s. Admittedly as a % of GDP it's lower, but in absolute terms it isn't.

As for overseas ownership of utilities, why is this perceived to be a problem, especially when there are regulators to ensure the needs of consumers are focussed on? Do you think that if they were British owned they would make lower profits? And if they did why is this important, given the ammount of investment that has been going into infrastructure?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 10:57:55 BDT
"she sold off the family silver"

And the Labour darling Gordon Brown sold off Britains gold reserves at a ridiculously low price - sold for $3.5 billion between 1999 and 2002; in 2011 the same amount of gold would have been worth over $19 billion. So Labour's done a *little* worse at ruining the economy than the ol' Tories.

Posted on 12 Apr 2013 11:22:25 BDT
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Molly Brown says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitaph

Not really sure whether all these posts are actually epitaphs? So looked it up on Wiki and saw this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
epitaph pictured. Seems quite appropriate for Maggie really, and all that have been and gone since her "reign". Laughable really when the Telegraph complain that the BBC is biased against her, I haven't seen any sign of that, completely the opposite. It is indeed hard to find any news stories about the millions of people in this country who have strong reasons for their hate of that women. Arguments that the young people demonstrating and partying weren't even born when she was in power. How could they know what those days were like? Well, as with most families you learn about your family's history through your family, and the suffering they endured. A change to society now that means many, many more workers in this country have been reduced to being described as "non-strivers" by Cameron et al., simply because they want to work honestly, are decent human beings, and do not want to exploit others to feed a greed they don't possess. Apparently these days that is looked down on as being a failure in life.
Maggie Thatcher and ALL who have followed created a fractured society where decent hard working people should be looked down on if they are not greedy enough to lie and cheat their way into riches that are generally not worked for, certainly not hard worked for. GREED IS GOOD. Decency is for losers!

"THE DAY WILL COME WHEN OUR SILENCE WILL BE MORE POWERFUL THAN THE VOICES YOU ARE THROTTLING TODAY"

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 11:40:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Apr 2013 11:47:16 BDT
Dan Fante says:
I agree. Equally stupid and short-sighted. In fact you could draw a lot of parallels between New Labour and the Tories under Thatcher in that regard. Look where it's gotten us as well.

Posted on 12 Apr 2013 12:45:47 BDT
Sera69 says:
Meryl Streep, surprisingly, seems to have captured her best in the eulogies doing the rounds.

"It is hard to imagine a part of our current history that has not been affected by measures she put forward in the UK at the end of the 20th Century. Her hard-nosed fiscal measures took a toll on the poor, and her hands-off approach to financial regulation led to great wealth for others. There is an argument that her steadfast, almost emotional loyalty to the pound sterling has helped the UK weather the storms of European monetary uncertainty.

But to me she was a figure of awe for her personal strength and grit. To have come up, legitimately, through the ranks of the British political system, class bound and gender phobic as it was, in the time that she did and the way that she did, was a formidable achievement.

To have won it, not because she inherited position as the daughter of a great man, or the widow of an important man, but by dint of her own striving.

To have withstood the special hatred and ridicule, unprecedented in my opinion, levelled in our time at a public figure who was not a mass murderer; and to have managed to keep her convictions attached to fervent ideals and ideas - wrongheaded or misguided as we might see them now - without corruption, I see that as evidence of some kind of greatness, worthy for the argument of history to settle."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22063173

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 16:27:42 BDT
Pipkin says:
what regulators... like FSA who allow Financial Institutions to alter laws to suit themselves or NHS regulators who specialise in paying whistle blowers off so as not to upset their particularly lucerative boat.
''Do you think that if they were British owned they would make lower profits? ''
NO! But at least the 'profits' would be ploughed back into OUR Government coffers and OUR infrastructure, instead of into the back pockets of the Cartels who plot the course of whole countries economies and control all their resources, whilst being accountable to no-one.

Do Not Reply!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 16:43:37 BDT
David Groom says:
MEP,

'what regulators... like FSA who allow Financial Institutions to alter laws to suit themselves or NHS regulators who specialise in paying whistle blowers off so as not to upset their particularly lucerative boat.'

The FSA has nothing to do with water, power, telecomms etc., so your point about the FSA, correct or not, is irrelevant.

'NO! But at least the 'profits' would be ploughed back into OUR Government coffers and OUR infrastructure, instead of into the back pockets of the Cartels who plot the course of whole countries economies and control all their resources, whilst being accountable to no-one.'

Why would it, just because the profits are made by a UK company? How does the government get those profits unless it is the 'company' you mean, in which case, there won't be any profits because they'll all be taken up by inefficiencies etc. And why does it matter if we own the infrastructure, since it is laid down in the UK and a foreign company can't just dig it up and take it away?

'Do Not Reply!'

Lose the arrogance, since you show little on here to be arrogant about.

Posted on 12 Apr 2013 17:02:15 BDT
Pollytess says:
Iron lady-rust in peace[or pieces].

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 17:46:58 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 19:31:46 BDT
David Groom says:
Dav45,

'Sadly the UK is at the bottom of the league in comparison to the US and France and well behind countries like Germany and even Italy.'

It all depends on how it is measured and by whom and when. I've seen websites that quote figures close to mine and some close to yours. The only issue I would have with yours is that the figure for France appears to be for 2000, which is scarcely a fair comparison with say 2010. I also didn't mention Poland or Italy, so your including them doesn't really amount to anything. What is clear from your numbers is that throughout the industrialised west, pretty much all nations show a reduction in %GDP over a few decades and in this respect the UK is no different. Also, your claim that we are bottom of the chart is typically left-wing negativity, but even if we take your figures as correct, it's hardly by much, so your pessimism isn't justified.

But either way, my post wasn't about exactly where the UK stands, but the simple fact that manufacturing is hardly non-existent and both my sources and yours show precisely that.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 20:40:13 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 22:00:36 BDT
Charlieost says:
No I do not think that it means you are wrong Gordon. As Dylan sang a long time ago, "You are right from your side, Just as I am right from mine. We are just one to many mornings and a thousand miles behind". The non acceptance of that is what keeps this forum running really. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 22:07:45 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Sera. I wonder what number has to be reached for murder to become "mass" murder. Does 321 sailors on the Belgrano attain that magic number?

Two torpedos that not only sunk a ship but sunk all peace initiatives as well leading to a far greater loss of life. The woman was quite simply a war criminal. C

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 23:20:20 BDT
David Groom says:
Dav45,

'The figure for France is for 2009 and there is no left wing negativity on my part as I provided you with a link that shows there may be a revival in manufacturing.'

Not looking at the figures in the link you gave - France in 2009 is at 10.73% of GDP, whilst the UK is at 11.43. Yes the US is a little higher, but hardly staggeringly so.

However, the whole point of this subject isn't nit-picking over exactly who is bigger than who, but the wider picture of what it means in terms of manufacturing and as I have said twice now, it isn't the case that we 'hardly manufacture anything now' as was claimed.

As for posting links to other sites that give differeing views of what manufacturing as a percentage of GDP is, I really don't see the point as this is simply seeking to delve into the minutiae of the data, with all that goes with the interpretation of statistics, something I don't see any point in going into, even to satisfy your obvious wish for an argument.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Apr 2013 23:40:14 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Apr 2013 00:06:39 BDT
Pipkin says:
>The FSA has nothing to do with water, power, telecomms etc., so your point about the FSA, correct or not, is irrelevant.<
It's extremely relevant... because ALL the regulatory bodies do is fill their own boots.

>How does the government get those profits <
It re nationalises all the utilities....

>Won't be any profits because they'll all be taken up by inefficiencies<
There must be a great deal of profit to be made if all these comapnies make enough to share it out amongs themselves? Or are you saying the Government is inefficient? In which case I agree

>Why does it matter if we own the infrastructure, since it is laid down in the UK and a foreign company can't just dig it up and take it away?<
Sorry - I thought you knew what infrastructure was?

***
Infrastructure is basic physical and organizational structures needed for the operation of a society or enterprise, or the services and facilities necessary for an economy to function, and typically refers to the technical structures that support a society, such as roads, bridges, water supply, sewers, electrical grids, telecommunications, and so forth, and can be defined as "the physical components of interrelated systems providing commodities and services essential to enable, sustain, or enhance societal living conditions."
It can be generally defined as the set of interconnected structural elements that provide framework supporting an entire structure of development. It is an important term for judging a country or region's development.***

At present we have a group of companies who belong to an Energy Cartel IMO They get together and set a price, and take it in turns to shaft us.

>Lose the arrogance, since you show little on here to be arrogant about. <
You are having a laugh.... kettle calling the pot grimey a***, eh?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Apr 2013 00:18:23 BDT
Pipkin says:
>Therefore it would have been prudent to say nothing or perhaps ask where the data was obtained from rather than try and cut somebody down without any firm basis for doing so.<
The man doesn't know the meaning of the word prudence, and gets off on trying to put people down, and hurl smart a*** remarks.
The penny hasn't clicked yet, that everybody knows what he is.

Posted on 13 Apr 2013 10:59:42 BDT
Maggie Thatcher's gone to Hell
The Devil wears a frown
He'd opened 12 new furnaces
And now she's closed 'em down.
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