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Posted on 29 Jun 2012 14:16:09 BDT
Spin says:
To argue that Drugs should be legalsed because a minority find them pleasurable is akin to sarguing that peodophilia should be legalised because a minority find it pleasurable. The issue is not concerned with personal desires, but with the benefit and welfare of the individual and society.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 16:49:48 BDT
Spin, its a plant.

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 18:15:43 BDT
sally tarbox says:
Its not about denouncing others' lifestyle choices- some people have hobbies that seem dull and alien to me but they have an absolute right to, and their decision to take up line dancing, watch cricket etc is just as valid as my preferred interests.
But a hobby that induces paranoia (affecting one's family), eats up one's (often limited) income thus depriving any kids, propels some into crime to pay for it and causes major mental illness in some is NOT just a personal choice. When my nephew (a messed up 18 yr old as his mum used) looks at his limitations should I say 'it was her RIGHT! Don't be self righteous!'

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 18:37:21 BDT
Mr B Tonks says:
You're talking to a plant.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 22:25:57 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Spin. Always a pleasure to read your posts because they confirm and strengthen my opinion. We live in a society where dissapointment is the norm. People are regularly conned into watching whatever rubbish the TV companies decide is quality entertainment. There are alternatives to following this consumerist path. At one time it was in a beehive hut off the shore in the Atlantic. Not everyone has that luxury nowadays, it can be difficult to find a solitary space for ones head. So some people do what has been traditional since before Christian times and they get wrecked. No biggie.

You are so straight Spin. You must have made a strange rebel. Always good discussing with you. Blessed be. Chas.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 22:28:29 BDT
Charlieost says:
Spin. To compare smoking dope to peodophilia is outrageous. Go wash out your mouth with soap and water and visit your local dealer, NOW.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 16:37:48 BDT
Spin says:
Charlieost: Take note: I did not compare smoking dope to peodophilia. I compared the arguments. A dopehead and a peodophile or rapist engage in illegal activity because thier desires outweigh any consideration for themselves or others. They consider thier actions to be quite correct because they are focused only on thier own pleasures, and will risk imprisonment to fulfill them. Basing ones life on ones desires to the dettriment of all and everyone else is in no way justifiable grounds for legalising something. A minority of people enjoyed fox-hunting but it was still banned despite the opposition of those who found it pleasurable to chase and kill Sooty's relatives. Personal pleasure is not a basis for social development and enhancement. The benefit of a thing or action must outweigh its detriment before it can even be considered to be universally available.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 17:23:22 BDT
Spin, thats a daft ridiculous arguement. Fox hunting involved animals being routinely killed for no good reason other than in the name of 'sport'. Smoking weed is nothing like fox hunting, peadophilia or anything else you have compared it to. To me it is an alternative to the club scene and alcohol, an alternative I will continue to chose over the aformentioned. Weed costs this country a boatload because the gvmt spends money on raiding drug dens and seeking them out (helicopter 3k per hour). It could tax weed and legalise it and MAKE money off it.
I'll say it again Spin, it is a plant, it grows in the wild. No matter what we do, no matter how we class it, no matter what punishment is given for having it, it will continue to grow regardless. How the ....... can you ban something that grows in the wild but have the outright cheek to allow a man-made substance responsible for well over 10k deaths per year in the UK to continue to be sold...... 24 hours a day?

I'm not saying weed is good for you, it is the opposite but it is no-where near as lethal as alcohol.

for every cannabis farm that is raided, another 2 set up. If you cant beat it, tax it, regulate it CONTROL IT. You listening Cameron?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 17:35:40 BDT
Spin says:
Popcorn: As I told a previous poster, I am not comparing the acts of smoking weed and engaging in peodophilia. I am comparing the arguments for them. The argument "I enjoy smoking dope it so it should be legal" is the same as the argument "I enjoy having sex with kids, so it should be legal". The logical structure of both arguments is the same; based as they are on personal desire alone. If weed should in fact be legalised, the argument for its legalisation does not rest on anyones personal desire to buy it and smoke it freely.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 17:44:42 BDT
No its not. Peadophilia is forcing another individual of an age below that of the legal requirement for consentual sex to have sex. There is a clear victim who's rights have been breached. Smoking weed means a plant (already dead) gets burned... At the momment there is a victim though, because of the illegal status. Change the law to legalise and you can cut out the barons and turn the victims into beneficiaries.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 17:59:10 BDT
Spin says:
Popcorn: Rights? You think smoking a joint does not affect anyones rights? You think smoking a cigarette affects no-one rights? You think the legal consumption of alcohol affects no-ones rights? And what of responsibilities? I love it when all you supporters of freedoms decline to address the responsibilties that go with freedoms. By smoking dope you are a victim, but your pleasure outweighs your common sense. When you get high you shirk responsibility for yourself and others, such is the nature of mind altering drugs. So you cannot have a claim to "rights". Rights are given to people who stand up for those rights, not those who skin up and think about them...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:48:53 BDT
Its actually worse for us than Cannabis, I mean diabetes is real.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:49:52 BDT
Cannabis devestating lives, some evidence please.

Oh and btw dont think everything you see in the Daily star is real. or well researched

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:51:16 BDT
Durrrrrrr, you can smoke Cannabis with no tobacco you dolt, the tobaccco is the carcinogen and even then thats lung cancer. IN fact it can be inhaled by vaporisation.

think before you type Spinovski

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:55:14 BDT
Yes its been tested Tom and guess what smoking marijauan improved peoples driving performance, now same cant be said of Alcohol, whats that you dont beleiev me, it was a documentary on TV look it up.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:58:59 BDT
Spin says:
CJ: So one type of smoke or fume is healthier than other? Let me guess, the info comes from "Joints.R."....

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:59:35 BDT
Drink alcohol to point of being tipsy/drunk go to a go kart race and join in, afterwards adescribe if you were better or worse.

99/100 people say worse, point is anyone whos honest knows they could not drive whilst drunk.

Ask a group pf cannabis users same question, where to find them? there the ones who got the best times and are celebrating with their mates

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 16:00:53 BDT
Where the hell do you work, prison.

Seriously never seen anyone that bad, I use it and I am at my work right now, total generalisation based on a control batch of a few in one plave.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 16:05:13 BDT
Paranoia - only is predisposed to being paranoid

Eating up income - Its not addictive, if you cant afford it you leave it alone. Alcohol you cannot do this with.

Propels people to crime, id like to see your statistical analysis of this

Causes major mentla illnesses - just so not true, can bring on and exacerbate certainb mental illnesses, but no where near to the level alcohol does.

If hse used and became a bad parent this is because hse was an idiot and a bad parent, not the drug, though I bet its an easy excuse for her to use, she just could not be azzed being a good parent.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 16:06:10 BDT
Spin had a bad argument.

The planet has not stopped has it? LOL

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 16:08:12 BDT
Course it does, no Spin vaporisation is used in other medicine you twit, my dada is asthmatic, where do you think the vapours come from???

Try reading about a thing before giving us your ignorant opinion on it in future, you might be bale to stop yoursefl from looking like a fool

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 16:22:16 BDT
Spin says:
CJ: You consider the fumes from a burning leaf to be "vapour".? Orwell was right. The language is being corrupted...=)

Posted on 2 Jul 2012 16:23:07 BDT
Spin says:
Excuse me, folks, I'm stepping outside for a "Vapour"...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 17:27:45 BDT
Yes spin. Heat minus the oxygen gives you a vapour from the weed as it is heated. Simple science. Burning with a flame and oxidising is taking place so you take the flame away and just keep the heat, what have you got left? Pure vapour with no nasties.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 17:41:59 BDT
Spin says:
Popcorn: I'm surprised you passed your chemistry and physics exams! =) When you apply heat to something it burns. It gives off smoke or fumes. Define it as you wish, you cannot deny the laws of nature. I'll let you get to "vapourising" your joint. Rodenberry will be proud of you...=)
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