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In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 18:39:54 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Gordon Bennett says:

TSC, whatever flips your switch. I've just had an ALDI 'aged' sirloin steak with chips, fried mushrooms, tomatoes and steamed green beans and a bottle of wine for me tea...very nice...I can hardly move.'

It made me laugh! Seriously, sounds pretty good Gordon. Used to shopping at the Aldi myself, never could understand why someone would pay more for the same thing merely because it was from M & S or that? £8 for an apple! But there you go. The only good thing about an economic downturn is that we start to see how much all of us are overcharged for everything.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 18:41:10 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Simon "THE FOUNT" Boyd says:

The super SEAL, lean fount does NOT waddle...he moves with elegance.'

That also made me laugh! Nothing like a bit of light relief hey?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 18:42:47 BDT
Spin says:
TSC: Consumer society. With emphasis on "Consumer"...

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 19:03:23 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Spin says:

TSC: Consumer society. With emphasis on "Consumer"...'

The old class system has gone now hey? We're all mere consumers, judged by what we buy and consume, and as long as we don't question things TOO much, all is tickety-boo hey?! The Neo-Feudalism we are walking into allows no dissent, no 'other' voice, UNLESS of course it agrees with the rich, the powerful and the controllers of the media, politics, law and so on. So, if anything is different, any voice that is not approved, it quickly becomes 'controversial' and that is another way of controlling the debate. What can we do?

Posted on 18 May 2013 07:14:38 BDT
MarmiteMan says:
Marvellous! Truly we are a democracy: public pages devoted to the arguing over the ethics, merits and price of ... the plastic bag. Move over, Pyongyang, you've got nothing on us!!!

Posted on 18 May 2013 07:36:17 BDT
 says:
Plastic bags: never reuse, never recycle.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 12:02:04 BDT
Natexman...how little you understand about multi-level debate!!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 12:44:19 BDT
Ooooooooooooooooooh!!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 14:53:21 BDT
Spin says:
Tsc: Capitalism creates a society which eliminates "individualism" in its truest, most meaningful sense. The "individualism" promoted by Capitalism and the Government structure supporting it is, as Marx points, the individualism of the society, not of the citizen. An individualistic lifestyle in thought or deed is promoted only if it supports or benefits the capitalist system. Individuality is not considered to be a Civil Right or a universal "freedom"; it is a provisional cultural and societal "trend" dependent on its worth to capitalist civil and economic requirements. It is mere propaganda, a falsity, to claim that only Soviet Communism or Fascism entail dictatorship.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 16:00:26 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Spin says:

Tsc: Capitalism creates a society which eliminates "individualism" in its truest, most meaningful sense. The "individualism" promoted by Capitalism and the Government structure supporting it is, as Marx points, the individualism of the society, not of the citizen. An individualistic lifestyle in thought or deed is promoted only if it supports or benefits the capitalist system. Individuality is not considered to be a Civil Right or a universal "freedom"; it is a provisional cultural and societal "trend" dependent on its worth to capitalist civil and economic requirements. It is mere propaganda, a falsity, to claim that only Soviet Communism or Fascism entail dictatorship.'

You're probably right Old Sport. Individualism and the idea that anyone can make it is just another way of controlling people, telling you and everybody desperate that if you are lucky you too can have the mansion on the hill, the £100,000 car or two in the drive, the swimming pool, the 5 acre garden, the bulging bank account and the gorgeous WAG dollybird on your arm. Some people do indeed 'make it' and the rest of us either get jealous, angry because we are not making millions or become philosophical about it all; and perhaps a mixture of all three. As you say, 'individualism' now is the mantra throughout society, used to give those at the bottom some hope of a better life and those at the top the excuse to do whatever they like, be as selfish and greedy and as exploitative as they like, and then call it all individualism; it is, like capitalism itself, almost a religion.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 16:22:14 BDT
Spin says:
TSC; Capitalism promotes "individualism" in the sense of "stepping over everyone else to get what you want". Cameron and his ilk are an example of this; they constantly proclaim the idea of "individualism" but in only terms of personal and national economic profit, not any political, religious, aesthetic or social equality of thought. To the capitalist everyone has a right to profit and anyone or anything hindering that must be removed from society. But a conflict arises in such an ideal; The capitalist ambition of government conflicts with those of capitalist corporations. As can be seen in the latest uproar over Google and Amazon avoiding tax...

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 20:51:51 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Spin says:

TSC; Capitalism promotes "individualism" in the sense of "stepping over everyone else to get what you want". Cameron and his ilk are an example of this; they constantly proclaim the idea of "individualism" but in only terms of personal and national economic profit, not any political, religious, aesthetic or social equality of thought. To the capitalist everyone has a right to profit and anyone or anything hindering that must be removed from society. But a conflict arises in such an ideal; The capitalist ambition of government conflicts with those of capitalist corporations. As can be seen in the latest uproar over Google and Amazon avoiding tax... '

Yes, it is used not to promote any kind of equality but in fact rampant unfairness wrapped up as equality. And if you thought the likes of D Cameron, G OSborne and Bo-Jo believed in any kind of equality of any kind, you would be naive in the extreme. All are equal..but some are more equal than others. And usually people who are greedy and obsessed with high social status and what education you had, how much money you have and so on are as far from any kind of equality as can be.

Well tax avoidance has brought countries to their knees hasn't it? This may very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back...!?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 May 2013 20:25:08 BDT
Spin says:
TSC: Well, if the law is structured in such a manner as to allow tax avoidance (as opposed to tax evasion) the fault lies with the law, not the capitalists utilising the anomalies and loopholes in what is an unnecessarily complex system. Then again, such laws are created by capitalists, so...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 May 2013 21:19:56 BDT
Pendragon says:
Spin: Verily you here speak the truth. All Hail Spin.
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