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Are American lives worth more than Iraqi or Afghani?


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Posted on 23 Apr 2013 14:06:04 BDT
Spin says:
When I saw the Bostonians taking to the streets after the capture of the suspects, with banners and celebrations, in an act of defiance, I was reminded of those so-called "uncivilised" nations that take to the streets with anti-US banners shouting "Allah Akbar!"...And the Yanks think they differ from their enemies?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 14:24:10 BDT
Erh...mmhh....erhm...ooopssiessss!!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 15:49:00 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Leonard M. Weisfeld says:

T. S. C. says:
those living in poverty ...supporters of governments and a system that helps keep them poor in the first place!!! I struggle to understand this somewhat.

LMW: would it make sense if humans are pack animals. it might not be so great to be at the bottom of the pecking order, but it's better than not being in the pack at all.'

Good point. Also, America was a nation founded by people specifically looking for something, originally either religious freedom or the making of money; it is the most aspirational nation in the world and to be seen as non-aspirational, regardless of your class, ethnicity, colour of skin, religion etc, is to be seen as a 'LOSER' and there's nothing Americans hate more than a loser. So, people side with the aspirational ideology and Right-wing agendas and governments because it makes them look a little better, even if they live in a trailer park in some county off the beaten track in Louisiana somewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 15:52:55 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

Good Post Leonard,
But this information is conveniently forgotten by the overwheling information about the two boys alleged to have planted bombs, which incidentally ''they made themselves????''
I beleive it is a 'fact' that all Governments jump to the Monied Elite's tune. And that no price is too much to pay in our lives - for them. We are simply collaterol, and expendable. Pawns on a board.
But we are valuable and important to one another....and that is worth far more than they could ever have. We just have to work hard at not letting 'them' poison us against one another and divide us? And fill us with their lies.
Regards
Margaret'

I'm inclined to agree with some of what you have written Margaret, even though I'm not particularly Left or Right, but sadly I think that most of us are divided, and in so many ways, and equally I don't just think that it's the elites or ruling governments doing it solely, I just think people can be horrible to each other. It's a mad world out there.

Posted on 23 Apr 2013 16:23:32 BDT
Spin says:
As the government is now requiring trainee nurses to spend a year as "care assistants "there should be a law requiring politicians to spend a year in the depths of poverty.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:18:37 BDT
Pipkin says:
Likewise, I am neither left nor right... I cannot see for the life of me why we need 'party' politics. I think it would be far better if the people we elect locally; who all sit in Parliament anyway; just got togehter and sorted out policies that benefitted all of us... instead of allowing the lobbyists to wheel and deal for the lion's share.
As you say some people can be vile to one another, but seriously, in my life I have found them to be the minority, but they get the biggest press.
We have a couple or so on these forums, but I have noticed that people are beginning to ignore them, and that can only be good. Because the more you pick a sore the more it will bleed.
I find it sad that we sometimes misunderstand one another, when trying to discuss things, and like everyone else I sometimes lose my rag with those who would goad me. It isn't anything to be proud of, and I could kick myself. But then, I watch discussions with people like you, Micheal and Harry and lots of others (the list is very long; all old 'friends' included..) and I realise that there are people who think deeply about things, and can be civil, even if they don't agree..and it gives me hope.
Regards
M

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:19:11 BDT
Pipkin says:
what a good idea!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:33:10 BDT
Yes, like Afghanistan.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:48:49 BDT
That sounds uncomfortable...and messy...try peppermint leaf tea.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:51:41 BDT
Spin says:
CE: but without the possibility of gas-lines. and McDonalds on every corner? Poppies are more profitable to a nation than the imagined wealth of capitalist profiteers.....

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 20:10:54 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

Likewise, I am neither left nor right... I cannot see for the life of me why we need 'party' politics.'

I think that politics in many cases has replaced religion, even though if you went back a few hundred years it might have been difficult to separate what was political and what was a religious impulse. We don't really need party politics, it's just a way ultimately of dividing people up into convenient controllable blocs that can often be manipulated by one party or government, or the other. And, as you say, it has become a gravy train, but then perhaps it has been for a long time.

'As you say some people can be vile to one another, but seriously, in my life I have found them to be the minority, but they get the biggest press.
We have a couple or so on these forums, but I have noticed that people are beginning to ignore them, and that can only be good. Because the more you pick a sore the more it will bleed.'

Yes, that's my experience too, the bad'uns are often thin on the ground but they get the most publicity, or to put it like this, the vile drunk at the bus stop is considered the biggest pest and no one but no one wants him to latch on to them! We are all hoping he (or sometimes she!) goes away somewhere, and doesn't sit next to us. Yes, I tend to ignore those who are permanently right, and don't debate, only dictate. I just leave them alone. To be honest I have only been doing this for a few days and like most of us have other things I do too. But sometimes someone says something interesting or worth debating. It is a discussion forum after all!

'I realise that there are people who think deeply about things, and can be civil, even if they don't agree..and it gives me hope.'

And you are absolutely right, and you have proved to be one of them with a nice reasoned answer and willingness to debate and see the other person's viewpoint. As long as we reasonable people remain reasonable and considerate of the other lad or lass' view, then there is always hope. :~)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 20:14:22 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Spin says:

As the government is now requiring trainee nurses to spend a year as "care assistants "there should be a law requiring politicians to spend a year in the depths of poverty.'

Some of them think they already do. How awful it must be to only have £66,000 a year to live on, perks, subsidies, money from 'special interests', subsidised travel, living expenses, a flat in London and their constituency and then retiring on a gold-plated index-linked pension? Maybe we could start a charity 'Help an MP', so the poor blighters don't have to endure anymore poverty?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 21:18:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Apr 2013 21:19:53 BDT
Leonard,

Can you rephrase, for the benefit of people who don't speak conspiracy nut?

Posted on 23 Apr 2013 21:21:15 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Apr 2013 21:22:32 BDT
Simon,

Given you back heinous dictatorships like North Korea and Stalin's Russia, your opinion is deluded at best, and morally inexcusable.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:06:36 BDT
Back...back....explain?...the fount seeks balance.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:22:02 BDT
Pipkin says:
I have to agree... I hope it lasts :)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:25:54 BDT
...Have you tried ginger and ginko biloba?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:41:51 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

I have to agree... I hope it lasts :) '

Me too! :~)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:57:11 BDT
T. S. C. says: there's nothing Americans hate more than a loser.
LMW: i thought there's nothing we hate more than doing things slowly. ;-)
i'll have to check the polling results again.

Certainly, there are differences between large societies and small ones, and my guess would be that there is a high correlation between the size of a society and the general "aspirational" motives/thoughts/actions of its members. However, as a believer that the species as a whole is a pack animal, i am never surprised to find "aspiration" among groups of either "loser" individuals or "loser" societies.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:58:50 BDT
Sorry, it's a secret language!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2013 04:48:18 BDT
In one tablet?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2013 08:03:22 BDT
Is that what I wrote?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 00:05:53 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Leonard M. Weisfeld says:

T. S. C. says: there's nothing Americans hate more than a loser.
LMW: i thought there's nothing we hate more than doing things slowly. ;-)
i'll have to check the polling results again.

Certainly, there are differences between large societies and small ones, and my guess would be that there is a high correlation between the size of a society and the general "aspirational" motives/thoughts/actions of its members. However, as a believer that the species as a whole is a pack animal, i am never surprised to find "aspiration" among groups of either "loser" individuals or "loser" societies.' Yes, there is competition in all spheres of human activity and all human societies, and in higher circles competition may be for better jobs, bigger houses, and so on, in the poorer classes, competition can become violent and involve turf-wars over drugs or whatever. We are as humans always pitting ourselves against others, one way or the other, whether we know it or not, or whether we want to or not. Americe was forged on aspiration, and I suppose that it is the most ruthless capitalist society on earth, with some good results and some bad results. But Western Europe as a whole is two steps behind.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 10:55:38 BDT
T. S. C. says:
in the poorer classes, competition can become violent and involve turf-wars over drugs or whatever.

LMW:
would you then say that it is only the poorer classes that are engaged in international wars - over turf, or drugs, or whatever?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 16:40:26 BDT
T. S. C. says:
In reply to your post on 25 Apr 2013 10:55:38 BDT

'Leonard M. Weisfeld says:

T. S. C. says:
in the poorer classes, competition can become violent and involve turf-wars over drugs or whatever.

LMW:
would you then say that it is only the poorer classes that are engaged in international wars - over turf, or drugs, or whatever?'
Gangsters at the bottom make no bones about protecting their territory, trade routes and interests; with governments and the upper echelons there is a sheen of politics and respectability. The whole world seems to be in a constant struggle, wars of trade, business, technology and I suppose the war of ideas too.
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