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Posted on 7 Nov 2012 16:47:46 GMT
XRNOHPORTER says:
Yeah..........AMERICAN porn films!!

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Posted on 8 Nov 2012 06:58:37 GMT
XRNOHPORTER says:
Phaaa!! How many people try to get into Russia for a better life and how many the USA ??
HA !
The Yeti don't exist !!

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Posted on 8 Nov 2012 23:04:42 GMT
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XRNOHPORTER says:
Anytime. Hooo Raa!!
Dav45, you do realise this Simon discussion is a load of bullocks ?!
Not to be taken seriously like

Posted on 8 Nov 2012 23:12:41 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 9 Nov 2012 14:31:07 GMT
Yangonite, try investigating what actually happened, before you write your posts. You wouldn't then look so foolish so often.

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Posted on 10 Nov 2012 16:45:30 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Nov 2012 16:48:27 GMT
XRNOHPORTER says:
Nothing good has ever sprouted from Simons imput.
This discussion is a prime example because he writes utter drivel.
Notice he hasn't added to it, unless he is hiding behind another name and if he is, what does that say about him and his posts ?

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Nov 2012 15:36:19 GMT
Spin says:
Gary: Nothing "good" has ever spouted from anyones posts. This is an Amazon discussion site, not the UN Committee on Human Rights...

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 13:50:21 GMT
DRAF says:
Don't you mean the "Buran" the Russian space shuttle copy! Clealy a rip-off of the US design, just like concordski. As for the the MiG's, air to air combat proved the ability to turn tighter couldn't save them in Korea,Vietnam or the Arab-Isreali wars. Russia did give the world the AK-47, Mr Kalashnikov's invention has been responsible for more deaths than Mr Oppenheimer's. I wonder if he went through the same angst.

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Posted on 19 Nov 2012 09:01:32 GMT
DRAF says:
The US space shuttle was developed from the x-23 & x-24 aircraft during the 60's/70's. It was from these aircraft the concept of the shuttle was created. What was under the bonnet had little to do with the re-usable nature the either spacecraft! It was the external design of the shuttle that gave it the ability to land like a conventional aircraft.
The Buran made 1 unmanned flight, the US shuttle made over 130 flights, repaired the Hubble, delivered the bulk of ISS into orbit.
You can paint whatever picture of the USSR that you want to, but at the end of the day the soviets built their shuttle along with concordski from there ability to infilitrate western companies, It's called industrial espionage.

The Mig-15 did have the upperhand in korea, against P-51's, meteors(WWII designs) & early postwar US designs until the US F-86 arrived.
The Mig-15's design came from captured German plans, as both it & the F-86 show many similarities. Most western & soviet post war aircraft were all inspired from what the Germans had been developing.
The Mig-15's engine was a direct copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene engine which at the time was probably the best jet engine in the world.
Which was inexplicably sold to USSR by the then Labour government, must have been one stalins "gullible fools" that made that decision.

As for the Mig-21, was a good aircraft! But it couldn't prevent the US forces going where-ever, when-ever they wanted over North Vietnamese territory.

The SA-2 Guideline SAM was more of a threat to any US aircraft than any of the Mig's.

You state these aircraft helped the soviet side gain the opper hand in both conflicts, had that been true there would be only one Korea & the the Vienam war would have over before the US had a chance to get involved.
At no point since the end of the second world war has Soviet or Soviet backed airforces been able to gain air superiority over western or western equipped airforces.
The Israeli airforce giving the Syrians an absolute hiding over the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon in the 80's. Over 80 assortted Mig's shot down in air to air combat.
During Operation Desert Storm the coalition airforces gained total Air Supremacy over the Iraqi air force who fought using soviet tactics,training & equipment.
What you have understand about that is Iraqi's were using the Soviet doctrine that was supposed to be used during any Nato-warsaw Pact confrontation while the coalition were using Nato tactics.
What i think you don't understand about military aircraft is that one aircraft maybe able to turn tighter circles but another maybe able to climb faster, it then comes to the superiority of the man behind controls.
Any advantage any soviet aircraft may have had over any western aircraft was lost due inferior pilots.

The Mig-29 is old 80's technology thats why they're cheaper. The Luftwafffe got rid or their MiG's after re-unification, they still prefer to fly the F4-Phantom a 50's design & the aircraft that the MiG-21 failed to defeat over North Vietnam.
Poland is gradually replacing they're MiG's with F-16's
If you want find out about "NEW" russian aircraft maybe try googling "SU-35" or "T-50".
The individual cost of the Typhoon has risen due to design changes, like giving the aircraft air to ground capability & reducing the amount of aircraft purchased due to the end of the cold war.

You say the Russians don't copy! You're wrong there! I think i've already proved it, but i'll give another example.
This a story of how the Soviets came up with the AA-2 Atoll air-to-air missile.
In the late 50's a Taiwanese F86-Sabre fired a sidewinder missile at a Chinese MiG-15 the missile impacted the MiG but the warhead failed to explode the MiG limped back to mainland China with this missile embeded in its fuselage, the missile was handed over to the soviets(probably in exchange for some more MiG's) was reversed engineered & a few years later an exact copy of the sidewinder appeared on soviet aircraft.

You are right about the chinese copying things far more cheaply, but then if you are a chinese technician building aircraft in a state owned factory you're earning a lot less than a technician at BAe Systems or Boeing, Dassault.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 09:27:38 GMT
Yangonite says:
Brilliant post!!!

Nice to see someone substantiate their opinions, for a change.

The level of detail is excellent - brilliant post.

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Yangonite says:
Hi Willy

Nice to see you again. If you refer back to my two previous posts you will notice that I framed the two assertions partly as qusetions, as to indicate my partial doubt as to their veracity. So now, assuming Neo is correct, I am less ignorant than previously.

It's always a good idea to try to interpret a post correctly before replying.

How are we with the Katyn Genocide?
Still pushing the line that the Russians were innocent?

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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 13:17:38 GMT
Y writes, "assuming Neo is correct". Don't assume anyone is right - do your homework and find out for yourself.
Nobody (except Yangonite) says Katyn was genocide.
What Hitler did was genocide. The USSR did not perpetrate any genocides. Check your definitions, if you don't believe me. Also look at the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials of the Nazi war criminals.

Posted on 19 Nov 2012 13:52:54 GMT
DRAF says:
No doubt rockets where found outside Moscow but i thought the discussion was about Buran not russian engine technology!

"Industial Espionge was rife on both sides"
Is that an admission that the Buran fuselage design was stolen? What about the russian concorde? Indigenous technology or stolen technology?

As for Dan Dare he was way before my time.

Points 1-17 all very interesting, but at the end of the day the US shuttles have contributed to humanities understanding of our solar system & the universe.
While the Buran sits gathering dust.
What about the x-23 & x-24? Shuttle/Buran predecessors or not?

"The North Vietnamese won in the end though, so the US aircraft can't have been that good!"

I think you should study history a bit more closely, the US pulled out in 1973. The North Vietnamese defeated the South Vietnamese in 1975.
The F-4 Phantom the MiG-21's Nemesis, never flew with the South Vietnamese Air Force.
What about the MiG-21 performance over Lebanon? What are you're thoughts on that?
I take it that you're praise for the MiG-21 means that the MiG-15 was not as wholly original as you thought? A German design with a British engine.

"The technology was used later in US rockets, so I don't know where you get the idea that the USSR was the only one which used the other sides technology,"

The american use of russian rocket engines in the documentary is post cold war a commercial enterprise, nothing to do with espionage.
The documentary itself explained that the only way the US could get an idea of what the soviets where up to was to use satelites, not really a practical way to gain technical information on a rivals space program.

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Last edited by the author on 19 Nov 2012 14:02:57 GMT
Yangonite says:
Dodging the issue by questioning the language used, eh William?

OK. So the atrocity perpetrated by the Russians at Katyn probably may not be classified as 'genocide', but it WAS perpetrated by USSR.

Do you agree or disagree with the above?

"Don't assume anyone is right - do your homework and find out for yourself."

Yes, I am in more than a little agreement with the above. The fact is, at the moment I am far too busy researching other matters to get bogged down in doing research for posts on here. I treat these boards as recreation from my other research.
I suppose the counter argument is 'if you can't be bothered to do the research, don't bother to post'. That may or may not hold water. Certainly there are many posters on here who post exclusively unsubstantiated opinions rather than verifiable facts. It takes all sorts of course - diversity of style provides richness, if nothing else.

Posted on 19 Nov 2012 14:25:17 GMT
Spin says:
Amazing. All this debate about past conflicts but not one about the conflicts occuring at this moment. I am sure your soldiers in Afghanistan are thinking of WWI as they fight for their life in a war that is no more than a political mistake...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 14:46:33 GMT
DRAF says:
Glad you're amazed about this debate! But the header says "1945" not afghanistan, i'm pretty sure theres a thread about afghanistan maybe you toddle off to that one instead! ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 15:11:53 GMT
Spin says:
DraF; Sure. I will let you experts in warfare dwell in the past...I am sure that eventually you will come to some conclusion other than those you read about.

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DRAF says:
Bye!

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