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In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 19:54:26 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

Hya T,
Did you catch this programme this week?
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/397323/Pick-of-the-day-Ben-Fogle-New-Lives-in-the-Wild'

I didn't Mags, but I have to say that I love strolling through the country or lonely beaches somewhere far from the madding crowd, and literally just being at one with nature and listening to birds sing and feel the breeze on my face. I like N Wales for that especially. You're right, contentment is important, possibly the most precious thing any of us can have. I also love 'Wainwright Walks' and things like that; just takes you away from all the stress and BS that gets into us one way or the other.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 20:00:28 BDT
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T. S. C. says:
'Simon "THE FOUNT" Boyd says:

TSC....we need to seek the "no mind"....living with moment to moment awareness...not living through the distortions of the past.'

That's a good answer, but wouldn't we be a bit like robots, no past, no future? It would not be possible to escape our cultural baggage, our upbringing fully. And then if we did, would we then be free? From not knowing where we were coming from, would we then not know where we were going? I mean, after abandoning all the things that make us unique, what would we become? And for what purpose? It would be revolutionary, but even revolutions fizzled out or ended up with 'The Terror' like in France or getting a genocidal tyrant like Chairman Mao or Stalin or Hitler. And if we decided that everything we had ever been taught was just indoctrination or brainwashing of some kind, would we then refuse to learn anything else for fear of the same thing happening? Just a few thoughts anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 20:11:32 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hya T,
**I feel that the powers that be want divisions to justify their greed and selfishness and to get us all at each others throats.**
And I fear they are succeeding, because there are those individuals who are convinced that their Masters can never be wrong, and they are all too willing to be used by their Masters to keep us all in control.
We have one extremely pernicious Government shill on these forums: who scathingly denies people the right to investigate and make up their own minds about any political issue. I have him on ignore.... He constantly enforces the establishment line, and ridicules and insults people. In the hope that they will give up their searches, and remain in ignorance.
Creating cogntive dissonance wherever he pops his head up.

Mags.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 21:01:03 BDT
David Groom says:
M. E. Phelan,

'And I fear they are succeeding, because there are those individuals who are convinced that their Masters can never be wrong, and they are all too willing to be used by their Masters to keep us all in control.'

Since your post is obviously directed at me, I'll respond on this occasion, even though I know you'll ignore me - the equivalent of your fingers in your ears chanting la-la la-la.

Firstly, I have no masters, apart from my wife, so the idea that I'm doing the bidding of some unknown people I have never met or spoken to is simply fantasy. Nor does anybody else, apart fom perhaps taking instructions from the boss at work - nothing unusual in that.

'We have one extremely pernicious Government shill on these forums:'

If I'm pernicious it's because somebody needs to balance out the nonsense that people like you post on here. As for being a a government shill oh please! Do you really think that the government would pay somebody to oppose the sort of views that get aired on here? Governments couldn't give a toss for the sort of junk that gets posted - it's got far more important things to do, like running the country, than worry about a small number of delusional people and their weird ideas. Finally, and for the record, nobody pays me for anything I post on here and I challenge you to prove otherwise. So its put up or shut up time.

'who scathingly denies people the right to investigate and make up their own minds about any political issue.'

I don't deny you the right to read what you want and think what you want, however odd those thoughts might be. But I also have the right, something you don't seem to realise, not to agree with you and to robustly point out that most of what you post is nonsense, that a child of 5 could see through.

'I have him on ignore.... He constantly enforces the establishment line, and ridicules and insults people. In the hope that they will give up their searches, and remain in ignorance.'

Of course you have me on ignore - the truth isn't something you can cope with is it? As for insults, I'll repeat what I have said before, that I only insult when somebody else starts it. In your case, you aren't whiter than white when it comes to insulting those you disagree with, so I'd stop this line of argument if I were you, otherwise you'll find the charge of hypocrite being quite properly applied. As for you remaining in ignorance, I don't need to do anything. You manage it so well yourself, with your gullible belief in every whacky idea that somebody else posts on a website. Couple that with your inability to string together an argument of your own and it's obvious to anybody that ignorance is your normal state of mind.

'Creating cogntive dissonance wherever he pops his head up.'

Creating a pool of sensible explanation amidst an ocean of ignorance, you mean?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 21:01:17 BDT
TSC....the fount appreciates your words....you may be right....

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 22:26:01 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

And I fear they are succeeding, because there are those individuals who are convinced that their Masters can never be wrong, and they are all too willing to be used by their Masters to keep us all in control.'

Yes, there are those who are so indoctrinated in life in general that they are unaware of the fact; I guess we all have a little of that, but being aware means we a little wise.

'We have one extremely pernicious Government shill on these forums: who scathingly denies people the right to investigate and make up their own minds about any political issue. I have him on ignore'

I won't hazard a guess at who you mean, but I won't put anyone on ignore myself, although I can see someone might, simply for the fact that even if someone does spout garbage or more to the point is insulting and offensive I can still learn from them; I can at least learn not to be like that. I believe we all move forward by listening to each other, hopefully we agree but even if we don't we can be agreeable can't we. And, I won't be bullied.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 22:30:45 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Simon "THE FOUNT" Boyd says:

TSC....the fount appreciates your words....you may be right....'

I am flattered, but you started the question that prompted it, and I thought 'a good question deserves a hopefully thoughtful reply.' Can't pretend to be a great philosopher but there are so many questions that need answering. See; we can debate something interesting can't we?!

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 23:11:29 BDT
Pipkin says:
I agree T,
That we can all learn something from one another, even when we disagree on the majority of what is posted...and should definitely be respectful and agreeable. But if all you receive are insults and an undermining of your intelligence, as I have... even if I am not in his discussion, he will refer to me and scoff, I think it is time to call it a day with him and recognise what he is, and aim not to be like that?

ps I wouldn't dream of bullying you :+)
Magsx

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 23:27:30 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

I agree T,
That we can all learn something from one another, even when we disagree on the majority of what is posted...and should definitely be respectful and agreeable.'

Of course.

'ps I wouldn't dream of bullying you :+)'

I know. You are a reasonable person but forthright. A good combination. Good night! See you all tomorra!

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 23:31:11 BDT
Pipkin says:
Night night, sleep tight. Are u watchibg question time? Mx

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013 21:09:49 BDT
P. C. Owen says:
Karen Gillard. Prime Minister of Australia. She's from Barry which explains a lot. As you suggest, Lloyd George was born in Manchester.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013 21:57:22 BDT
T. S. C. says:
What's wrong with old Kazza anyway?!

Posted on 12 May 2013 22:54:28 BDT
P. C. Owen says:
She's quite forthright. A much admired virtue in Australia, I admit.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013 23:10:50 BDT
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T. S. C. says:
'P. C. Owen says:

She's quite forthright. A much admired virtue in Australia, I admit.'

The Aussies must have something right after all hey? They were always beating us at rugby and cricket for years anyway, until we learnt to adopt their tactics and play to win instead of the loser mentality we seemed to have for so long. They have a fighting spirit, which seems to be knocked out of all kinds of British people in one way or the other for one reason or another. If a Working class person in Britain is aggressive and ambitious it is often frowned upon; I don't know why. In Australia, that is the natural default of most Aussies and seen as a strength and a virtue, not something to be hidden or repressed. Henceforth, for a nation of 24 million they punch above their weight in global sport and don't do so bad in business and many other things. Did we send the wrong people Down Under? ;~)

Posted on 15 May 2013 18:25:54 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 May 2013 15:28:41 BDT
kraka says:
A truly free man could be imprisoned and although his movements are severely restricted he still remains a free man..............
compared to the man who on the outside is fettered to an internal prison of his own making. We make our own prisons and lock ourselves in them. And the lock to our cell is our own mindset.

There is some truth in Simon's post about freeing one's mind, but first you have to be prepared to give up on the cares of this world.

There is within, a center of calm where the mind can rest peacefully on the edge of being highly alert, where the mind remains untroubled by the arguments between YES or NO....RIGHT or WRONG, knowing them to be only transitory, alternating positions, and not worth disturbing one's tranquility for. The wise man sees the value of both sides of the coin (argument) and the futility of favouring one side over the other. Such wisdom must then be expressed into non-action and silence, unfettered by thought or actions. Freedom is never ever secured whilst you are fettered to the cares of the world or your mind.

The cost of true liberation is letting go of your self made bondage.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 May 2013 21:20:48 BDT
Beuatiful....beautiful.....

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 07:41:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 May 2013 07:42:45 BDT
TomC says:
You've been at the jasmine tea and watching too many episodes of Kung Fu again, haven't you?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 07:47:27 BDT
Bernard Matthews Wafer Thin Turkey Ham.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 10:49:44 BDT
kraka says:
Tom C , hi.

Greetings Tom and thanks for your post, Gee, after forty years of practicing Pranayam/Kundalini Yoga/Meditation you now tell me Jasmine Tea would have done it for me. Where was you when I needed you. :) lol.

Cheers and best wishes.................................................kraka

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 10:54:48 BDT
...Bernard Mathews Wafer Thin Turkey Ham

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 11:57:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 May 2013 13:00:26 BDT
kraka says:
Simon "THE FOUNT" Boyd... hi,

And greetings, I agree with your words in your OP but also realize that the mind is like a dog with a bone and taking the bone away is far from easy. Unless one stills the mind, one will never be free, be at peace with ones self and the world, or have true inner fulfillment. We become lost in the cycles of our minds and the empty promise of fulfillment in materialism never to understand that detachment from these things is what really liberates us. We are conditioned, or programmed like automatons, to think the opposite and that is our enslavement and our exploitation. A life well and truly out of balance.

Cheers Simon and take care................................kraka.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:35:48 BDT
Well, it's fairly low fat but it's got lots of salt and additives hasn't it? How much does Amazon charge as no doubt they supply it?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:47:37 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Kraka - how do you know? I'm quite happy with my lot thanks. You make too many assumptions based on your view of life, and maybe not looking at the reality of other people's lives.

Posted on 16 May 2013 15:23:59 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 May 2013 18:17:50 BDT
kraka says:
K. Hoyles, Hi

Greetings, each one of us finds our own path in this life each with it's own meaning and truths and if you are personally, perfectly content with your life as it is, then you have no cause to question it or change it. We each have our own individual reality. Each to their own. My post was in response to another, and merely added to what had been posted, drawn from my own experiences. It was not claimed or intended as a *be all* for everyone else to follow.

EDIT.

Everyone strives for what is important to them I have always sought Peace, Tranquility, Harmony and fulfillment, things i never found in the world, but do exist.

How would you fare if life stripped you of all that you depend on for your contentment and your exitence became one with a lot of suffering?

Hope this clarifies, take care.................................................kraka.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 16:43:26 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'kraka says:

Everyone strives for what is important to them I have always sought Peace, Tranquility, Harmony and fulfillment, things i never found in the world, but do exist.'

I think that one kind of happiness comes from doing or pursuing in life what you really really want to do; of course many of us have to do jobs and things we don't want to do merely to put bread on the table or just because they have to be done; but with our spare time I feel that we all should do something that we like and that brings meaning into our lives, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Spiritually is a whole other dimension; literally. I'm a Christian, so I find peace and fulfilment living each day as God would have me live. Whether or not other people believe is not really a concern, I can only speak for myself after all, but I find that living as a Christian brings me peace and meaning into my life.
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