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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 09:15:16 BDT
Molly Brown says:
Kind of Catch 22 isn't it, there has to be stuff to buy that is British in order to buy it. Which comes first the chicken or the egg?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 12:06:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jun 2012 17:16:12 BDT
During our Imperial industrial heyday more than a million men worked in the British mining industry alone, mostly hacking out coal with pick-axes, millions more worked in factories that produced everything from bicycles to aircraft to gentlemen's suites, the British Army alone was 330,000 strong in 1957. When we speak of 'office cleaning' 'meal preparation' 'parcel delivery' etc... this is miles away from the old industrially based 'working class' economy I remember as a child. Those working men remembered in films like:- Millions Like Us [1943] [DVD] The Foreman Went To France / Fiddlers Three [DVD] who like their conterparts in Soviet Russia, put down their picks/shovels etc... and marched out of their factories to fight WWI/WWII are virtually all dead now (an 18yr old Dunkirk veteran would be 90 today). Even the towns/cities they lived in have been massively changed by mass immigration/industrial collapse etc... As to the underclass, who are they except the dispossessed poorly educated and now virtually unemployable children/grandchildren of the old working class? they are most certainly not middle/upper class graduates from Harrow/Eton etc... are they???

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 17:23:19 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jun 2012 17:50:48 BDT
David Rudd says:
OK Molly, it's Catch 22ish. I try to buy British when I can. But to tell you the truth, I think there is very little hope left for Britain.

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 17:53:17 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 18:17:41 BDT
M. Jolliff says:
What about, instead of a blanket walk out which helps no-one, all those who provide goods and services cease to do so to the individuals and companies (banks, investment bankers, politicians, etc) who have caused this problem by failing to remember that the are supposed to be servants not masters?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 18:57:31 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 19:42:02 BDT
S.R.J says:
Working class Dav- ie; I have to sell my labour in oredr to acquire the means to live, as opposed to inheriting a fortune or owning capital which may turn a profit ; so I'm very working class, I own nothing except a few sticks of furniture and a clapped out fiat, my home belongs to the bank, I own no land, shares or anything else of significant monetary value- ergo I am working class.
S.R.J

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 20:35:29 BDT
J A R P says:
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Posted on 1 Jul 2012 00:40:38 BDT
While mass strikes can be effective, there is something that every man and woman can do that is both infinitely easier and far more effective. You simply go down to the bank and take all your money out. Even if a significant amount of people were to threaten to do this, you would see a vast difference in the attitudes of those you have elected.

Posted on 1 Jul 2012 04:12:57 BDT
Mac says:
My idea of 'working class' is anyone working full time for (or around) minimum wage. People who work in call centres/cleaners etc. It is disgraceful how little money people have (myself included) left over after paying their monthly bills. A lot of people I know in a similar predicament would actually be better off claiming benefits. The Government needs to find a way to make work pay for everyone.

"One must imagine Sisyphus happy" - Albert Camus

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 10:19:27 BDT
I'd be better off on benefits, me and my GF have to say we don't live together in order to afford a place of our own for our family of 3, if I declared myself living there, I'd have to pay an additional £400 a month for rent yet if I was unemployed, I could do this without the £400 a month charge, makes you sick doesnt it?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 11:00:38 BDT
Mr B Tonks says:
One of our neighbours who is disabled has just had her disability living allowance stopped for no other reason than they think she is now suddenly much better than what she was.
Although her disability is quite severe she does work 30 hrs pw for minimum wage.
The disability payment on top of her wage just about makes her self sufficent in being able to pay her way with the mortgage and bills etc,
She lives alone, has a very frugal lifestyle because of her small income and is at her wits end now as she knows she is going to start sliding into debt with this payment stopped.
If she gives up her job and goes onto jobseekers she will be even worse off,
Another example of the government not using their head and attacking the most vunerable in society,
Eventually if she does lose her house the local council will have to rehouse her and any money saved in disability payments will be outweighed by the costs of looking after this woman.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 11:22:38 BDT
Madness Dav, the whole thing needs reform. A lass I know has a disorder so she was born with 1 limb missing, she has no left hand. She works full time and gets the low band disab payment.
Neighbour suffers 'a bad back' full disab, no need to work and motab car renewed every 3 years. I've never understood disability allowance, but if you can get it through ' regular depression' there is something very wrong with the system, leaving it wide open for abuse.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 12:15:42 BDT
Lynne says:
There is no "class" anymore.
Just the working "poor" who have to pay for everyone else!

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 12:24:22 BDT
Adam Jackson says:
Nowadays there are just slaves and masters.

Posted on 1 Jul 2012 12:31:19 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jul 2012 08:07:30 BDT
The central purpose of the 'Welfare State' was never the well-being of the destitute, but prevention of poverty fuelled civil disorder such as that which led to the Russian Revolution and/or the rise of the Nazi Party. Following WWII the West's capitalist leadership cadre's realised they had come very close to complete overthrow/replacement. Their answer were the twin strategies employed by the ancient Roman Senate in similar circumstances:-
1. Panem et circenses.
2. Dividus et imperie.

In December 1942 Beveridge published a report that proposed that all people of working age should pay a weekly contribution. In return, benefits would be paid to people who were sick, unemployed, retired or widowed. Beveridge argued that this system would provide a minimum standard of living "below which no one should be allowed to fall". These measures were eventually introduced by the 1945 Labour Government as a preliminary measure paving the way for mass 'New Commonwealth' immigration, intended both to lower wages by the deliberate creation of massive artificial unemployment; and also irrevocably divide the working classes. When seen as the 'bribe' it was, the Welfare State has been amazingly effective at preventing the widespread working class violence/insurrection which would otherwise have inevitably accompanied the deliberate/artificial creation of mass unemployment by the Capitalist 'elite'.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 14:52:30 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hello Dr Walker,
Which is precisely what we should do.... because by Christmas all the banks will have gone backside up.
They are in serious trouble because the US sold massive Sub Prime -toxic debt bungled up with tripple AAA to all the unsuspecting 'smaller banks and financiers.' But when they were discovered it was too late!!!!

''Credit Crunch Explained''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGxmgwUWNr0

What I will never understand is WHY hasn't the USA been held accountable? I've never even heard America's name mentioned as being the cause of this absolute disaster.. on the biggest scale imaginable... and nobody appears to care?

How to understand what has happened:-
''Crisis in Captalism''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0
''Global Economic Collapse''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhKjlPYBoP4&feature=related
Then finally take a look at the last one:-
''The real reason Gadaffi had to be removed!!''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlaMUq6MKU&feature=related
This video is absolutely invaluable, if you really want to know or confirm the truth of what has and is happening. It is an hour long but is IMO one of the most important videos I have seen. If you can't be bothered to watth all of it, then at least look at 40 minutes of it......
Where did the 'rebels' get their new guns and ammo from???
Sadly, I realise that there will be barely a dozen people who actually are interested in learning the truth. I can only hope that God helps them, when the **** hits the fan for real.
For now - replace the name Lybia for Syriah?

Thes RSA videos are fantastic, because they show the information in simple easy to understand cartoon form

Regards
Margaret

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 00:58:20 BDT
Mac says:
Completely agree with you.

I think C.W. Bradbury has hit the nail on the head in regards to the benefit system. It frustrates me how some people still see Labour as the Party for the working poor, and will vote for any muppet wearing a red rosette. Dianne Abott is a prime example; she claims comprehensive education is excellent in this country and the "elitist" attitudes needs to stop, yet sends her son to a private school! Do as I say not as I do eh?

I can't see the situation improving as all the major political parties are in the pockets of the big corporations. Tories making it easier to sack the average working man as well.... Poor people stay losing.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 15:44:53 BDT
Spin says:
Mac: Blair destroyed both socialism and the labour party. The so-called "Third Way", has been a destructive ideology, not a uniting one. What we did not realise at the time (because we were so eager to get rid of Thatcher) was that The Third Way entails compromise with those who will screw the system at every opportunity. What this world needs is a new politics, based not on economy or resources but on morality and understanding.

Posted on 3 Jul 2012 15:32:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jul 2012 15:33:15 BDT
XRNOHPORTER says:
Things will never change because "WE", the voters in this so call democracy are too lazy to do anything about it.
At this moment we have the ability to communicate witheach other like never before with e-mail, facebook, twitter etc but what do we really do with it?
How hard would it be to organise the people of this country to take action?
I'm not talking about protests and riots, I mean simple but obvious action.
Petrol prices. What would happen if everybody boycoted ESSO stations for two weeks? Got their fuel from anyone but them?
Then change it to SHELL for two weeks, then BP and so on?
Would that galvanise the Petrol companys to pressure the Govenment to change it's fuel tax policy?
VAT, the outrageous tax that makes us pay extra for the privilege of buying stuff!
If we stopped buying CDs, DVDs, TVs, fridges, clothes, shoes, etc etc anything that is not essential. That we can live without, for, say, a month, would that make the Govenment sit up and take notice of "the people?"
Or am I being a bit simple?
I put the people in inverted commas because I'm not sure who "the people" are. I'm always hearing politicians say. "the people" this, "the people" that, "the people" want....etc but I have NEVER been asked by any politician what I want. What I think of this or that.
My democracy consists of " put your tick in a box then sit down and shut up 'cos thats as far as your power goes. From now on we don't have to consult you on any desicion we make"
Oh but lets not forget we did have one great victory over the Govenment, they backed down on VAT on hot pasties!!!! HOORAY for us. :(

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 15:52:28 BDT
D. Doronron says:
"There is no "class" anymore.
Just the working "poor" who have to pay for everyone else!"

I agree with your first point Lynne. "Class" is a stupid concept. The reality is that people are people regardless. As for the working "poor" I would suggest to anyone who thinks that real real poverty exists in UK that you go spend some time in a third world country helping out and experience for yourself what poverty really is. Wealth is certainly not shared out fairly here by any means. But to describe anybody in the UK as truly poor shows a total lack of understanding of what real poverty is.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 16:10:22 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jul 2012 16:13:01 BDT
DD, check the streets of London and other major UK cities and tell me there isn't a poverty problem within the UK

Oh, and if people are people as you say, what makes one person above another if there is no 'class'?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 16:12:54 BDT
Spin says:
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Posted on 3 Jul 2012 16:18:36 BDT
Further to above, when did I even mention poverty? My OP has nothing to do with poverty.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 16:24:05 BDT
D. Doronron says:
"Popcorn Player says:
Oh, and if people are people as you say, what makes one person above another if there is no 'class'?"

Who says that one person is above another and on what basis?
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