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In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2012 15:38:58 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2012 20:03:22 BDT
It is on the Amaazon America list. Excellent but could be expensive to import.

Posted on 13 Jun 2012 09:19:16 BDT
Reading through these replies the overwqhelming opinion is for marijuana / cannabis and against prohibition.
I am now 59 and have used it all my adult life and suffered no detrimental effects, certainly nothing as bad as the effects from alcohol/tobacco consumption which are both legal and heavily taxed. Its out politicians , American mostly but European as well who are the fly in the ointment against the scientists, medical research and opinion and of course the all important opinion of you and me , the public.

Come on do the right thing for once and axe this stupid prohibtion of a very worthwhile medication and recreational substance.

BB I live in Kent , England.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 04:52:26 BDT
Spin says:
William:
Premise 1: I engage in Marijuana use and suffered no ill effects.
(But you have suffered some effects).
Premise 2: If something does not harm me, it harms nobody.
(assuming everyone is biologically and mentally identical)
Conclusion: Legalise Marijuana.

Such a vague and illogical argument can be used to justify everything from smoking to peodophlia. To justify the legalisation of Marijuana, one cannot rely on personal preference or experience but show why and how legalising marijuana-use is more beneficial to the individual and society than its prohibition.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 12:50:35 BDT
to Spin , look how long does it take a drug company to devel;op and license lets say an anti depressant drug ? 5 yewars 10 years ? AND remember all pharmacautical ( man-made ) drugs have side effects , some of which are horrendous. Well in the case of marijuana its been around and used by man kind for thousands of years. How much research do you want done for gods sake ? If its harmful to some people then they should not take it , simple as that. Just like some people are allegic to alcohol it may be the same with cannabis. However for the overwhelming number of people , post teenage , the only effects are beneficial. Its much better than anti depressants ( you dont lose your libido for a start ) and is used to relieve pain and suffering for many medical conditions.
Also the hemp plant ( male variety ) is fantastic for making ropes, paper , clothing etc etc even fuel can be made and foodstuffs.Why don`t we use this highly beneficial plant a lot more like we used to ?
Because the law was changed against it so that alcohol , petrol, and many plastci products would make all the money for the rich and leave hemp on the sidelines , all becausev the female plant can make people happy and contented with their lives. I could go on but really whats the point ? nothing will change.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 22:18:03 BDT
Spin says:
William: Pharmaceutical drugs are intended to save lives, not provide recreation. There is no proof that marijuana saves physical or mental lives. And there are far more effective drugs to relieve pain than grass. If you are in severe pain, a cancer eating your body, will you ask for a joint? Do you suggest we give joints to criminal psychopaths? Is our recession and conflicts in society and the world to be solved by sending joints to Africa, Tibet, Mexico, Afghanistan, Sudan, Congo, Somalia etc? Is poverty to be solved by getting stoned? Grow up..

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 00:53:43 BDT
Charlieost says:
No Spin, you are right again. Hunger can never be solved with joints. Getting the munchies would be no help at all.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 01:41:37 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 07:08:04 BDT
SPIN , ask someone with parkinsons disease if cannanbis works. I am on chemotherapy for cancer and believe me a joint can really help with the awful side effects and also greatly help with the pain from the illness. Its medically proven to be very useful for a number of acute illnesses. As regards phycopaths the answer is obviously no, same as shizophrenics no. As regards to solving recessions , whereever they occur , yes govt control and taxing of medical and recreational cannabis ( trhere aRE TWO KINDS BY THE WAY ) would raise billions which is currently going to criminals and organised crime. Do I need to say anymore ? By the way we consume an awful lot of sugar for no apparent medical benefit so must just be because we enjopy it and it enhances our lives.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 14:39:17 BDT
abcdefg says:
I agree with you in certain cases like yours, when chemotherapy is too painful it should be available, but only through a Physician. More often than not it is used illegally by young people in their formative years and as I do not need to tell you it devastates their lives. We see it on the news and read it in the papers every single day.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 14:48:26 BDT
Spin says:
William: so are your joints prescribed by the NHS or do you have to knock on a few doors? There are legal drugs which are far more effective than marijuana. Indeed, grass is a "light" drug, lighter than even alcohol. You have cancer but you smoke. Why? The NHS recommended smoking as a cure for the pain of cancer? I do not think so. That is an extremely odd thing to do (like those who smoke through a hole in their neck). The only people who support the legalisation of addictive drugs (alcohol included) are drug-users (those who try to escape the everyday reality that brings them down) and addicts.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 16:08:49 BDT
Charlieost says:
Sure and what's wrong with escaping the everyday reality that brings a person down Spin. Who wants to be brought down? Fair play to you William. If it works for you then every little helps. I don't see what diference it makes if you score drugs from the docs or from down the road. Spin just seems to have a bee in his bonnet about dope.

I have a bee in my bonnet about the right of people to seek whatever pain relief works for them without hinderance from outdated laws that can on top of the difficult situation that they are going through, turn them into a criminal.

Marijuana would be decriminalised at very least if we had politicians with some guts. Not much chance of that though.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 18:40:01 BDT
Spin says:
Charliost: Well, If I suffered from cancer, was in pain and receiving chemo-therapy, the last thing on my mind would be to argue for the smoking of marijuana on a web discussion site.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 23:44:32 BDT
Charlieost says:
Well Spin. That is an assumption that has already been proved wrong by Williams post which is doing just the opposite of what you imply. And I hope that you never suffer fromcancer, have the coresponding pain or receive chemo-therapy. Your statement is like me saying, if I was gay and my boyfriend left me etc. Makes no sense at all.

Bye the bye, you have me interested. I am also an ex toker but take the opposite position to yours. I am wondering if there is any particular reason why you feel so strongly about this issue.

I no longer associate with the people that I used to do drugs with. I parted from my drug buddy/partner who has found someone else to get wrecked with just as I now have a partner who neither takes drugs or drinks. I moved out of the area where were the people I befriended and partied with. They are round the other side of the mountain. Close but far enough away.

But I have no problem with them continuing their chosen lifestyle and going round in circles and changing partners. I just got to find it really boring and would far rather climb mountains and cycle over paths and passes.

So if you feel like letting me know, I wonder what your experience was and how or why you changed it.

Best wishes and the five day forcast gives clear skies from tomorrow so the bikes will be put on the rack on the back of the car and my daughter and I will be doing a nearby forest park trail. Happy days. C.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 11:07:37 BDT
Well said Charlieost. Its the vested money interests and people like spin ( who i bet has never tried it , not that i condemn him for that but neverthe less its DOES make a difference ) that means it stays illegal , I believe over a million p[eople are locked up in the USA for possession of marijuana !!!!! And yes you`ve guessed it ,85 % of those are black and espanic !! Mind you loads of white boys and girls also smoke it , millions in fact as it is the biggest consumer of cannabis in the world , but the law seems to treat them differently .
Anyway thanks for your support Charlieost . And Spin how do you know what you`d be like with cancer ?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 11:08:45 BDT
How do you know what you`d be like Spin ? Are you sure you`d turn something down that was a definite help to you just because the law is an ass.?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 12:35:51 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi William. I read in the Guardian (must be correct then :) that there are sixty people in California serving life sentences for possesion of cannabis/marijuana under the three strikes and you are out law.

And I wonder where human rights legislation applies?

Gutless politicians and imposed morality without reference to justice prevails again.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 17:37:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Jun 2012 18:11:44 BDT
Joe. C says:
abcdefg,
No, we don't see it on the news every single day, you hear of one or two drug busts a year, and more recently, an idiotic driver that was stoned and killed a young girl, that in know way proves being stoned effects your ability to drive.
We all know there are many many idiots on the road, that shouldn't be driving.
Alcohol does much more damage to our youth and our society than cannabis ever could, fact.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 17:56:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Jun 2012 17:59:15 BDT
TomC says:
The research on this contradicts you. Being stoned does indeed affect your ability to drive. The fact that it affects your mental faculties is rather the point of using it, yes?

I can recall precisely the same argument being made by drunk drivers. It was balls then, too.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 18:05:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Jun 2012 18:08:17 BDT
Joe. C says:
Show me the research, I am interested to know how conclusive this research is. And drinking coffee effects your mental faculties, it doesn't suggest you shouldn't drive after drinking it.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 18:23:01 BDT
I used to feel worse the wear for driving when I had a couple of coffees. Yet a couple of beers didn't seem to affect me at all.

Posted on 22 Jun 2012 18:44:29 BDT
Pipkin says:
Let's just see how this pans out, and if it will affect any other countries?

Uruguay in plan to legalise marijuana
By Jude Webber in Buenos Aires
Uruguay's leftist government has announced plans to legalise marijuana in a bid to halt rising crime.
The announcement, by the government of veteran former rebel leader José Mujica, would put production and distribution to registered users in the hands of the state, making Uruguay the first country in the world to grow and supply cannabis.
Crime rates pose threat to Chávez
"We think the prohibition of certain drugs is creating more problems for society than the drugs themselves," Eleuterio Fernández Huidobro, the defence minister, told a news conference presenting the measure as part of a broader crime-fighting plan.
The government believes legalising cannabis will undermine a business worth some $75m a year and stop people having to buy from dealers who are also pushing harder drugs such as "paco", a highly addictive byproduct of the cocaine-making process.
Marijuana possession is already decriminalised in Uruguay, one of Latin America's least socially conservative countries, and even the Archbishop of Montevideo, Nicolás Cotugno, has come out in favour of initiatives to legalise cannabis cultivation for personal use.
The issue of legalisation has entered the US election campaign as a growing number of voters approve of the move and Colorado, a state that could be key to Barack Obama's November re-election hopes, prepares for a ballot on ending prohibition.
The issue has been raised elsewhere in drugs-blighted Latin America but most initiatives to date have been from rightwing or centre-right governments.
Felipe Calderón, who is battling Mexico's ruthless drugs cartels, has talked of seeking "market alternatives", which commentators take to mean legalisation. Juan Manuel Santos, in cocaine-producing Colombia, has called for legalisation to help combat the traffic of hard drugs, as has Guatemala's Otto Pérez Molina.

In Britain, the government has moved in the opposite direction, upgrading cannabis to a Class B from a Class C drug in 2008.

Uruguay's pot proposal has to be approved by Congress but Julio Calzada, secretary-general of the National Drugs Board in Uruguay, said: "We have hopes that legislators from all four parties [represented in Congress] can support this measure."
If so, marijuana would join other state monopolies, including in the oil and gas, telecoms and electricity and utilities sectors.
Mr Calzada said Uruguay would grow the cannabis but had not yet decided where it would be sold. The drug would probably be restricted to Uruguayans "so as not to fuel drug tourism", he added.
Uruguay would take care "not to affect neighbouring countries or to be accused as a kind of international drugs making and distributing centre," Mr Fernández Huidobro added.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2012 18:50:40 BDT
TomC says:
"Show me the research, I am interested to know how conclusive this research is."

Liar.

I don't believe you're interested in anything or anyone but you, and your perceived entitlement to do whatever you like regardless of consequences to anyone else. As I said, you sound like every drunk driver I've ever heard, whining "but they aven't PROVED it, ave they?"

"And drinking coffee effects your mental faculties, it doesn't suggest you shouldn't drive after drinking it."

What an utterly crass comment. There is no comparison, and you know it.

Tell me: are you
1. incapable of doing your own research
2. too bloody lazy
3. scared of finding out that you're wrong?

Surveys that established recent use of cannabis by directly measuring THC in blood showed that THC positives, particularly at higher doses, are about three to seven times more likely to be responsible for their crash as compared to drivers that had not used drugs or alcohol.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376871603002849

The effects of cannabis and alcohol on simulated car driving were studied. Cannabis resin containing 4 percent Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinol was administered orally in three doses equivalent to 8, 12, and 16 milligrams of that component. Alcohol was given orally in one standard dose of 70 grams. Both cannabis and alcohol increased the time required to brake and start, whereas alcohol increased while cannabis decreased the number of gear changes. An effect of dosage on response was observed with cannabis.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/179/4076/920.short

A multi-center case-control study was conducted on 3398 fatally-injured drivers to assess the effect of alcohol and drug use on the likelihood of them being culpable...Drivers positive to psychotropic drugs were significantly more likely to be culpable than drug-free drivers.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457502001537

A collaborative study was conducted in France in order to determine the prevalence of cannabinoids, opiates, cocaine metabolites and amphetamines in blood samples from drivers killed in road accidents in 2003 and 2004 ... The most frequently observed compounds were by far cannabinoids, that tested positive in 39.6% of the total number of samples.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073805005190

Drivers who consume cannabis within three hours of driving are nearly twice as likely to cause a vehicle collision as those who are not ...
http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2012/02/09/acute-cannabis-consumption-and-motor-vehicle-collision-risk

Now show me the articles which say that driving ability is unimpaired; those from the University of Potheads are not acceptable.

This is a different issue from legalisation. Up to a point it's up to anyone how they choose to go to hell. But I don't recall anyone arguing that not only should they have the right to use it themselves, but that they should be entitled to inflict the effects of their choices on others while driving under its influence.

Posted on 22 Jun 2012 19:17:37 BDT
sally tarbox says:
Well I've never tried it but I see a LOT of serious users in the store where I work and this causes me to approve of its illegality.
Sure people can get out of their head on booze but for most, unless they're alcoholics, it's a Friday night thing, have a hangover and back to normal (and work) on Monday.
Whereas these poor saps wander round with a gormless look on their face, no use to society, unemployed and unemployable.
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