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In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 13:24:43 BDT
Not to forget love, that alters the way in which the mind thinks (scientifically proven too)

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 13:45:31 BDT
Excellent post Gordon.

So original, perhaps you'd get more prose by smoking some weed

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 13:50:48 BDT
Thats not what the threads about spin, thats the issue, the thread is clealry about whether Canabis desevres its illegal status, now in that light it must be compared to other thinsg that are potentially in some way harmful and yet are illegal, the point if I may you are making has ntohing to do with this, but whether smoking weed is a passtime to be proud of, I think once again to relate it to alcohol, I dont think you'd find many poeple condoning aclohol abuse on any forum just as we dont condone cannabis abuse.

Happy to discuss the reasons it should remain illegal, you seem unwilling to actually argue this stand point.

the facst remain that as far as we know having a fish supper is more harmful to the human body than smoking Cannabis.

The argument you are trying to stand behind is that thinsg that are harmful should be illegal, but then in a spin controlleed state, you'd probably make fish suppers illegal?

Eevery time someone has fried food, or alcohol they are taking risks for personal pleasure, I personally dont wnat to live in a world where that right does not exists, Cananbis is an example of this.

If you care to make an argument we can actually identify then we'll be happy to discuss.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 13:54:08 BDT
You make assumptions on cananabis users as pot heads, and trying to get away from reality spin, In my experience this can be the case, but generally isn not, just as equally I would apply the same conditions and analogy to alcohol, it can be enjoyed responsibly, or it can be used irresponsibly.

Your own opinions are mewrely that, and dont provide any pros or cons to the legalisation argument, worryingly its people like you who make the decisions, and yet you see yourself so outside of that political beaurocracy/

Ironic really

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 13:56:46 BDT
What consequences are they, what am I trying to rebel against.

Another bad generalisation based on your own world map and personal experience, which seems to have been not good, if you are to be even beleieved as having tried and disliked Cannabis.

Do you not drink any alcohol at all spin? A straight question, I cant fault you if you do not, I ahve seen the dangers of alcohol and thats wny I am almost T total. I will occasionally dally at weddings and family big get togethers.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 13:58:16 BDT
Food as well, Chocolate must be outlawed immediately seeing as it releases more endorphines than Cannabis

Posted on 10 May 2012 14:20:53 BDT
richard says:
i think there's really two questions here; why was cannabis made illegal and why is it still illegal.

was it made illegal because scientific research or case studies had shown it to be a dangerous drug or was it a reaction to what was perceived as a drug culture undermining society? i think it was the latter and as such there were never any medical reasons for making it illegal. it would be better to see it as a political decision and one made in ignorance. that decision contributed to a lucrative drug trade that exists till today and continues to criminalise people from all walks of life.

why is it still illegal, because there's not the political will to legalise it nor is there enough of an outcry from society to convince a political party that it's not a vote looser. better to keep throwing money at the problem (the illegal drug trade) rather than find a solution( legalisation) and punish any official figure that questions the continuation of the situation.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 14:27:43 BDT
Yes thats all fair enough, Thats the 101.

However how many of the voters who never register and dont turn up to general elections would come out of the wooodwork to vote for (Pick a party) if they said they were going to legalise Cannabis

Thats what they fail to grasp, they think its an election loser when in catual fact it could push your Party to victory even if it lost some of the more right wing voters.

It could be sold by the extra money it will generate, meaning it could actually boost both the conomy and the tourist trade (People go to Holland for Weed and prostitutes) and the public money it would save on polocing, prosecution and NHS bills with no extra tax. It would also take money away from criminal organisations, yes criminals could still grow it and sell it, but they'd have to do it cut price and they simply would not bother.

The problem lies with the fact that most politicians are about as bright as a London night in 1942, and also complete two faced cowards

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 14:52:39 BDT
richard says:
C J,

i think the voting situation might be very interesting although i'm sure that many smokers are already voting for a party with no party advocating legalisation. trying to turn legalisation of cannabis into an election winner might be a problem. what if it was a fascist party how many pot smokers would vote them into power to get pot legalised? then again how much sponsor money might be lost from advocating legalisation and could they get that money from elsewhere? apart from that i can only imagine the reaction of other parties who would use it to try and discredit them by calling them potheads and scaremongering the public that it will cause the disintegration of society. i think as a society we have decades of indoctrination on the evils of illegal drugs to overcome before legalisation of cannabis can be looked at and dealt with objectivity.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 14:54:41 BDT
"However how many of the voters who never register and dont turn up to general elections would come out of the wooodwork to vote for (Pick a party) if they said they were going to legalise Cannabis" - How do you even start a political party?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:06:17 BDT
richard says:
i think you need a manifesto and some cash. you pay your money to register, get into a local election and canvas for voters. check out the raving monster loony party!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:13:42 BDT
OH I agree, it would become the crux of the whole campaign, and I have to be honest I think many of the people who would vote for a legalisation party would be also quite happy if this was BNP ir anyone else.

Clearly not I. but lets be honest theres idiots out there that just dont know their azz from their elbow

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:17:17 BDT
"you pay your money to register" - Yes, that would make sense. Keep us riff raff out of politics, put a price tag on it lol.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:17:35 BDT
Not sure actually, but I wish I could I think id call t the Common sense party, because clearly that does not exists in any of the prehistoric parties we have today.

Id like to be the PM, who is up for Chancellor etc?

We'll form a shadow cabinet, you need nothing of any kind of education or experience in these roles anyway.

Have to have a think about Foreign policy though, and would we agree on other things?

I'd be against Faith schools not teaching the national curriculum. and against replacing trident.

Anyone else got any caveats LOL?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:30:01 BDT
richard says:
trouble with that is it's pretty condemning of pot smokers if their prime concern is legalisation over all other political/social issues! i think that you and many others would not put legalisation above other considerations and rather it remain illegal than vote, for example, the BNP into power.

there are plenty of idiots out there and some of them smoke pot although it's by no means a prerequisite. but would this percentage be enough to swing votes in favour of a party? if not then as long as no party goes pro cannabis it doesn't become an election issue and those idiots will hopefully continue to not vote for anyone.

mind you, family values have been used to gain votes as have religious affiliations so although more extreme i don't see why a party with nothing to loose might not try the drug angle but not one of the main parties and if it did enjoy some success in the voting booths i expect it would start to water down it's stance! in the end money is needed to keep an up and coming party in funds and i think that tends to come from more conservative areas or those that would not wish to be seen advocating legalisation.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:49:19 BDT
Yes the growers are hardly going to put money into your party are they. The problem with politics is the fundinbg anyway, its why Labour are just puppets for the unions and the lazy and why Tories are pupets for the wealthy and the snobbos.

Like that made in chelsea crowd, I cant watch that show, my wife does, it makes me cringe. They have no idea about life at all, so false and undereducated. Living off Daddy's money.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 15:59:40 BDT
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Charlieost says:
Hi Joe. C. Maybe the boring and self obsessed comment came from observation of the people I used to associate with. Few of them had a clue what was happening in the world and even fewer any interest. Local gossip and what game they were playing on the PS or DVD they last saw was more often the topic of conversation.

As for dope smoking around kids. I cannot count the times that I have been at someones house and they have been smoking and the kids are pushed aside or ignored so the parent or parents can drivel on about their latest obsession.

And then there is the danger. Kids get up to stuff and need some attention to keep them from climbing up walls or falling in ponds or in one case, attacking a cockerel with a stick ( the boy came off worse). I had to drive a child who had ingested some rendering waterproofing to hospital once because the dad was to wrecked to handle it. I was working on an outhouse and had refused a spliff as I always did if I was blockworking, roofing or working on scaffolding.

Just a few observations.

Posted on 10 May 2012 16:17:07 BDT
richard says:
i'm sure that whichever government was in power would love to tap into the money from taxing drugs as well as taking some strain off the police and courts but i don't think the benefits are seen as outweighing the political risk of trying to bring about change. personally i think that legalized pharmaceutical) drugs will become increasingly available to society in the form of Beta blockers and 'happy' pills but the natural drugs will continue to be illegal.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 16:45:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 May 2012 16:49:32 BDT
No one will argue that point I don't think, other than to say that in every case I would imagine those parents would be worse if it were alcohol they were consuming?

Bad Parenting is not a result of Cannabis use, its just bad parenting.

I have also been in houses where parents offered me some knowing I liked it and the kids were right there, I always refused simply if nothing else for the fact that tobacco was also involved and I completely disagree with smoking that anywhere near a child never mind Cannabis. It's wrong.

Again though I also think getting nailed on beer or wine in front of kids is wrong except where there is some sort of family gathering the all the kids are playing together etc like a wedding.

I despise bad parenting in all its forms and yet you see it all the time.

Here's an example of bad parenting from a non drinking non smoking family, who are good Catholics and take there kids to Chapel every week.

Over protection --

My nephew is never out playing, he comes in from school and literally puts his PJ's on does his homework and then veggies out in front of the TV, has no friends in his street at all, does not really meet school friends after school at all. He just watched cartoons or plays sky Landers and other video games

Not particularly bright, no imagination, no motivation, cannot ride a bike at 6 years old (Even with stabilisers), still does not speak very well but getting better since started school. etc.

Compared to my son who is 2 years his junior, who can read almost, (Not started school yet), superb imagination, has a group of friends of various ages who always come to the door for him as soon as we come home, he can ride his bike now, and is out playing with his friends outside in the park etc, or round our back garden any time the weather allows.

Point is bad parenting as I said is bad parenting in all its forms, there is just different degrees.

One day recently I was picking him up from visiting up there and I had said was he going out to play with his mates when he got home, My sister in Law asked me "Do you just let him go out and play with his friends"

I said "Of course why not"

She likely thinks I am a bad parent for not keeping them at home where you can watch them all the time. But you have to allow your children to develop both socially and mentally.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 17:02:02 BDT
I said "Of course why not"

She likely thinks I am a bad parent for not keeping them at home where you can watch them all the time. But you have to allow your children to develop both socially and mentally.

Agree. Cotton wool kids are doomed to lonley lives.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 20:03:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 May 2012 20:06:02 BDT
Joe. C says:
Sorry popcorn i'm compelled to respond lol.

Spin,
I agree i don't think all drugs should be legal, although i don't see the benefits of criminalizing them either it most certainly doesn't stop there usage in vast amounts.
So the only reason alcohol is legal is popularity, fair enough. Weed is a very popular drug, maybe not quite as popular as alcohol but popular all the same. Why do those selling weed deserve jail time?
Why can't i grow my own ganja plants? Cutting out the need for dealers.
I'm not sure how long you think cannabis has been in usage, but it is actually millenia the first recorded use being around 2737 B.C. by Chinese emperor Shen Nung.
It was made illegal on an almost global scale around 85 years ago, for no reason at all, just a false opinion of the drug, that is at it's heart why it is illegal.
One can have a good time without drinking or toking most defiantly, i'm not knocking that. But sometimes (not always) it just makes a good time better, for me anyway.
Well i am arguing this topic spin why is it illegal, so i can't do as i please without breaking the law and putting my lifestyle at risk, and it's not right. But to be fair i am blabbering a bit there it has never stopped me smoking it and i've never been caught. It doesn't stop it's legal status being very wrong.
The government are declaring a drug more harmful in every way legal and banning the less dangerous, less damaging drug.
Can you argue with that sentence?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 20:14:22 BDT
richard says:
i also believe that if you don't get a minimum number of votes in elections you loose your deposit which is almost certainly going to happen a number of times. add the cost of all the literature you need to hand out etc and the bill soon runs up.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 20:22:59 BDT
richard says:
i'll be shadow Chancellor as long as i can get caught in a brothel with women's underwear on by the press and protest that i'm checking out it's family values.

i'd like any dog owner that lets their dog poo on the street or in a park without clearing it up to have their face rubbed in it and their dog taken away along with all rights to own a dog for the next ten years or so.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 22:10:37 BDT
Charlieost says:
Agree with you all the way there CJ.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 09:58:03 BDT
Joe, we should blaze sometime, you sound like a person I would want to associate with, and if the C in your name stands for Crossman, I think we already have lol.
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