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The UK should just accept the inevitable and embrace Islam


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In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 14:18:02 BDT
easytiger says:
Oh you cruel blot on the earth.

Posted on 27 Sep 2013 14:44:46 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Firstly I am intrigued by using the concept of the very entertaining but magnificently overblown `Revenge' as part of a basis for a discussion on the ethics and motivations of humanity, but aside from the burning question of when do we get to see Series 3, I feel I must press on.
Looking back over this forum I see many concerns voiced concerning the threat of Islamic motivated violence and in consequence hostility to those cultures based around Islam. (Even to the extent of suggesting we go back to crusades, which it could be argued roughly equivalent to jihad )

In the case of any threat to society and the citizenry The State has the duty to ensure that this threat is removed and that every citizen should feel safe from physical, verbal and cultural violence.
In this circumstance it is the duty of The State to declare A State of Emergency until the threat has been removed and the situation stabilised. In the UK, the central government must carry this out in conjunction with those of the current provincial governments in Scotland, Ulster and Wales.

Once this is established those who would intend to carry out acts of violence should be hunted down and detained under Emergency powers and where necessary extradited to their country of origin, otherwise they should be faced with the maximum penalty the law holds.

In order to ensure the recruiting ground for such violent groups is made as infertile as possible The State must ensure:
1. Those who voice any incitement to violence against any group irrespective of race, religion, creed or political belief are also to be treated as perpetrating violence and subject to the full penalty of the law.
2. Those who make unfounded statements, allegations or demands against any group irrespective of race, religion, creed or political group should be considered as having intent to incite violence and should be subject to the full penalty of the law.
3. Those who place cultural definitions over the laws of the UK are to be made aware this will not be tolerated and if they persist will be subject to the full penalty of the law.

In order to ensure that the climate to ferment such views is supressed The State has the right in fact the duty:
1 To step up surveillance of the individual, by all means while stressing that as long as you are not inciting violence or breaking criminal laws you have nothing to fear.
2. Reduce the potential for disorder by reinstating a nationwide closing time for pubs, clubs and selling of alcohol, along with banning of drinking in public places.
3. Require every public gathering to be approved; any disorder and the organisation will be forfeited from holding future gatherings.

The State would however allow responsible organisations such as BBC, Independent TV, Newspapers and Liberty to create vigorous debate as an insurance that the judgement of officials is under scrutiny and no official is able to indulge their own prejudices.

In short if you go down this road you go all the way, irrespective of race, religion or creed.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 14:50:12 BDT
Spin says:
Ghost: "The State has a right..." How, exactly, do you define the term "State"?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 14:56:20 BDT
easytiger says:
So no profiling then? Like at airport security where little old white ladies are forced out of thier wheelchairs to be frisked? What have pub hours got to do with terrorism?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:18:03 BDT
Muslims already do that. It's the Muslim way of life.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:19:42 BDT
no, it's just some people are obsessed with islam and with negative muslim news stories. simples. if those same people were less biased in their reporting, we'd have something closer to reality. fear-mongers like you get off on cherry-picking news to present a lop-sided, politically-agitating illusion. You indulge in self-delusion to the point of unreason.

I mean, if I listened to people like you and EDL I'd be living in fear of a non-existent bogeyman. I think the reality of the matter, is that scape-goating a minority is your most practical way of delaying the inevitable: turning on each other. (The same way communists scapegoat rich people, in the hope of generating a brotherhood via a common enemy. But it is vanity, really; and it is in denial of human nature. Just as all poor people are not friends with a common cause, so too are english folk not all in enmity to Islam / taken in by scaremongers with obvious political aspirations).

The ironic thing is that nationalist socialist people like you probably have the most in common with the terrorists, aggressors, and hypocritical religious corrupters you point the finger at. (Well, they do say it takes one to know one, after all!).

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:22:03 BDT
Turning the other cheek is only an option once you've already been hit on one.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:26:59 BDT
easytiger says:
So we have arrived already. People who don't like muslims blowing the heads off innocent men, women and children in shopping centres are all nazis. Didn't take long did it?
Now then the daily car/suicide bombings of shias by sunnis Is that a daily part of a muslim's tolerant life(or death)?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:36:41 BDT
Spin says:
easy; When a crime is committed by an atheist, do you condemn all atheists as being of the same mind-set?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:39:20 BDT
Did Prophet Moses [pbuh] make it into the promised land?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:48:09 BDT
How do I know it wasnt Shia and the many Shia affiliates, whom corrupt religion and whom committed the atrocities, which you and your ilk so often exploit for the purposes of base political agitation? ...Last I saw, EDL and Robert Spencer were praising Putin. That would mean you're all on the same side - and Islam would actually remain 100% intact; since Shia and all affiliated abandoned the Qur'an and the authentic Sunnah a long time ago. You seem to forget that even in the Qur'an itself, the struggle is promised if not perpetual.

I would ask why you and your kind seem to look to Persia for the arrival of your messiah. Did Jesus Christ [pbuh] not already come in the flesh?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:52:55 BDT
H. M. Sykes says:
I think you will find that more Shias are killing Sunnis than the other way round, easytiger. However, I really think that they should be left to it themselves.

We did not interfere in Rwanda when maybe a million Christians died.

The sheer volume of AK47s, 7.62mm ammo, other devices such as mortars and heavy machine guns, explosive to make IEDs, will only lead to more deaths of Western people which is what we are trying to avoid.

It is possible to make a case that the world is over-populated anyway. I regret every individual family tragedy, every murder, every rape, every torture (including Guantanamo Bay) but I am not off to hunt down the drug cartels in Central America even though they are surely not Muslim. The Western occupation of Afghanistan is great for the heroin poppy growers, they no longer have to pay the Taliban Tax.

Leave these people alone, let them sort out their own problems. Concentrate on security within Europe and the USA. With troops back home that wouldn't be so hard.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:54:10 BDT
easytiger says:
So let's get this right - shias aren't muslims and as such remain legitimate targets?
The EDL seem to be getting a lot of airtime on these threads. Why? Have they hit a nerve?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 15:57:54 BDT
H. M. Sykes says:
That is a terrible thing to say, do you know what Muslim women wear under their burka? They wear some of the most fashionable clothes available and contribute hugely to the EU balance of payments.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:03:38 BDT
Who said anything about targets?

I tell you, the one thing which obviously hits your nerve (and the EDL's alike) is to open your bible. Strangely, in spite of all the quasi-religious posturing, you don't seem keen.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:05:22 BDT
easytiger says:
The Rwanda affair was a strange one in the fact that nobody seemed to know what was going on. If you remember at the time the main focus was on a diplomatic wrangle between France and UK as Rwanda was more than likely going to go over to the anglophone zone in africa which the french didn't like as they had previously suffered wounded pride when Cameroon joined the commonwealth.
I think most of the watching(interested) world thought it was just another case of african tribal bloodletting. The enormity of it all came out when it was all over. I mean most people ever saw of the genocide was that oft repeated clip of someone whacking someone with a machete. I don't doubt the sheer scale of things but a million people chopped in a couple of weeks seems a bit ambitious to me. Anyway that's another story.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:07:37 BDT
easytiger says:
Don't use bibles, use Beano's down the back of my pants. Teacher always spots bibles.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:36:14 BDT
H. M. Sykes says:
glorify the LORD, I read three texts from the Bible every day in a set plan to read the entire Book every year (I admit I read trash and history as well but I am well versed in the Bible, particularly the New Testament). You will know that both Jews and Muslims basically share the Old Testament with Christians.

No one should be called a "target," easytiger. Shias are just as Muslim as Sunnis, they have a few fundemental differences in belief about the succession from the Prophet Mohammed (peace be with him). Catholic Christians are meant to believe in transubstantiation at the moment of the Priest blessing the wafer it becomes the actual body of Christ. Other Christians, independant Protestant sects, deny the Trinity which is a central part of the Nicene Creed and they have different views of, if you like, Heaven and Hell based on their interpretation of the Bible.

But the last time I killed a Catholic was ... never. The last time I killed a Baptist was ... never.

So why don't we just let them get on with it and sort it amongst themselves? Do you really want to take sides in a religious war and, by doing so stir up hate against the British (most of whom believe nothing anyway)?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:41:07 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Why the State. The country. The Nation. Its government. We are The State. The States is us.
That's how it is y'see

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:45:52 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Oh no profiling is too inefficient.
Like frisking little old white ladies. That's jobsworths, that's why I mentioned keeping an eye on officials who overstep the mark.
Yep, pub hours. Public order y'see. Think of all the cost caused by excessive drinking. Order has to be maintained if we are going to do this properly. Can't have half-measures.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:47:17 BDT
easytiger says:
Eric, if you read GTL's post he is saying shias are not muslims. I certainly believe we should let them get on with it, with a posthumous prize for total annihilation. I don't mean to be rude but I don't need a lesson on catholicism and islam, having been born into one and practiced the other, abandoning both.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:50:43 BDT
HMSS,
How do you know what Muslim women wear under their burkas? ...ah of course, you're MI6... X-ray specs.

And how does Muslim women's underwear contribute to the EU balance of payments?

GB.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 16:56:39 BDT
easytiger says:
In the house they go into the bedroom, take off thier guinness bottle, switch of the light, call thier husband and do a Jamie Lee Curtis dance in thier sexy underwear in the dark. The The bill for broken table lamps and sticking plasters contributes greatly to the EU's balance of payments.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 17:02:22 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 Sep 2013 18:18:34 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Well if they are going to behave like that I can't see how they'd be any threat to anyone!
I mean anyone having that much fun is going to be far too happy to consider terrorism!
(Unless of course one sits on a broken table lamp...yeh I can see how that would upset someone....Let's ban table lamps instead, much simpler...then we can get back to this sexy underwear subject)

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Sep 2013 17:20:27 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 Sep 2013 17:43:41 BDT
shia are as muslim as sunni are as british as easytiger is as christian as jesus [pbuh] is as jewish as abraham [pbuh] was
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