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Why hasn't anyone asked why an elderly woman, working at at a kindergarten and with a mentally ill son, was in possession of a gun?


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Initial post: 16 Dec 2012 17:11:59 GMT
Spin says:
How does the "right to bear arms" justify the constant death of innocent youth? Was she expecting the English to invade again?

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 17:56:01 GMT
Charlieost says:
Hi Spin. Read today in the Observer, (usually a fairly accurate source) that only twenty per cent of Americans have guns. But those that do have guns tend to have a lot of them.

I also read a quote from a member of the pro gun lobby that because of the number of school shootings that teachers should be armed. I guess it means that they would sell a few more.

The right to bear arms arguement reminds me of the Catholic churches insistence on their priests being celibate. It is from another age and has no relevance on this modern world. but this seems to make no difference to those who would defend this position.

I do hope that this latest atrocity leads to change in the gun laws but of course the lobby against change is very powerful.

Time will tell. C

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:13:31 GMT
Spin says:
Charliost: I watched the US rep[orts and in the Us there are those who are asking why the school was not armed...! If the teachers have access to guns, then they can shoot a mentally ill attacker. Can you believe that? In the US nothing is being mentioned about the gun laws or Amercan attitude towards weapons... It is easier to get a gun in the US than to get healthcare or treatment. All we can do is await the next report of some disaffected, disturbed and ignored person resorting to murder before taking his own life.

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 19:29:57 GMT
Charlieost says:
Hi Spin. According to some of the conspiricy theorists, the goverment is behind these attacks using programmed people as killers in order to unite public opinion behind gun control. I do not actually subscribe to that point of view myself.

But America is a sick nation. Some of the rubbish that comes into Ireland and is shown on TV as entertainment attests to that. It is bizzare and dark and anti human, violent and sick.

And the timescale between incidents is decreasing as the numbers murdered are increasing.

No chance of finding out what kind of parenting produces someone who can go into a school and murder children now though since mum was the first to get it. Are these people loaded on self I wonder? Is this what comes of mass marketing which pushes the self and the requirements of the self to the fore?

The American goverment seems to look for the enemy abroad whilst their own people massacre each other. Time for as rethink methinks. Not much chance of that though. We shall see. Can't go on forever, can it?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 01:44:14 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 11:54:50 GMT
Spin says:
Charlipost: Remember the Boomtown Rats hit "I don't like Mondays"? It was hit because it concerned an unusual and shocking incident we thought would never happen again. But now school shootings have become a regular phenomenon in the US. Some schools in the Us have armed security gaurds, scanners at the entrances, and complex security systems. These were once employed to cut down on Gang violence, (mostly involving knives) but now all students are under surveillance in case they are armed with guns. Once, the violence of American society was restricted, mostly, among adults but the culture of violence, specifically gun crime, has spead to the youth so that not even the kids are safe anymore.

Posted on 17 Dec 2012 12:10:15 GMT
Apparently his mum didn't even work at the school.
Not that getting the facts stops the media reporting what they like.
Fox and CNN initially reported that it was Adam Lanza's (the actual shooter) brother, Ryan, who had gone on the killing spree - plastered him all over the news despite it being false. They then looked at his (Ryan) FB page and saw he liked Mass Effect, cue the expected outpouring of anger towards the game producers for having blood on their hands, creating killers, the game caused him to do it etc etc. But again, this all came about from the initial misinformation. Yet those with no mind leaped at the opportunity to rage because the news had told them what to think.
I imagine it'll be some time before the full facts and the ins and outs are known - but by that time the general public will have lost interest and it'll just be important for the families.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 12:32:05 GMT
Spin says:
Kod: I have heard many conflicting reports from various media sources over the last 24 hours. My original outrage concerning the events leading up to the shootings is now tempered by a disbelief in how the media sensationalises such a tragic event.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 15:50:06 GMT
What amases me more is the general American response to these things, I've seen too many sites this weekend proposing that the should now arm teachers. Yep that's the way to deal with gun crime, more guns.

In contrast there was a school attack in China on the same day (but being in China no-one apparently gives a f). As guns are illigal there and hard to get hold off the attacker used a knife, plenty of injuries but last I checked no fatalities. But of course guns have nothing to do with it.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 17:00:19 GMT
Spin says:
Sweet: I agree. The China murders are ignored as is the afghan tragedy. Western kids are more worthy of attention...

Posted on 17 Dec 2012 17:03:31 GMT
Spin says:
Obama says that these tragedies, the killing of kids must end, yet he does not mention the death of 10 young girls in a country his military is destroying. Nor any mention of the tragedy in China...Hypocrite.

Posted on 17 Dec 2012 17:11:38 GMT
Spin says:
So, it seems that it is true that this woman had guns around the house..My shock and incredulity returns..

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2012 17:22:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Dec 2012 17:23:33 GMT
Why shock? We are referring to America here, where guns are legal.

Posted on 17 Dec 2012 18:22:15 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Dec 2012 20:27:10 GMT
Just a quick one Spin cos I meant to ask earlier ... Does your title question ask why the mother had a gun ? (I know this is stupid, but I just wanted to check before my next questions/statements lol)

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Dec 2012 17:07:58 GMT
Spin says:
Kod: Yes. In fact, she apparently had a few guns; two handguns and an assault rifle. Even the US press are asking why. Was she as psychologically disturbed as the son? Did the guns belong to the father and if so, why would the mother leave them there for four years, especially when she knew of the psychological problems her son suffered?

Posted on 19 Dec 2012 11:10:34 GMT
The Heff says:
I agree with the NRA on this one. I think that all Americans should be armed at all times.

Then, after three days when they are all dead, we can move in.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2012 12:42:42 GMT
Ian says:
Odd that you should think the guns belonged to the father. I've not paid too much attention to the details in the press of the shooter's family (after they got pretty much everything wrong on day 1) but the last I heard (which may also be wrong) was that they were his mother's guns. After an unpleasant divorce she armed herself and fortified their house; surely a perfectly reasonable response.

Posted on 19 Dec 2012 13:40:08 GMT
I also heard that the guns were registered in Adam's name.
Wish the press would get all their facts sorted before publishing a report - kinda makes a mockery of it all when the story changes on a daily basis.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2012 15:45:42 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Ko,
I also saw this version in the independent:

The mother of Adam Lanza, the gunman who killed 20 children and six adults in one of America's worst ever school massacres, was a "survivalist" preparing for economic and social collapse, it has emerged.
According to reports, Nancy Lanza was a so-called 'prepper', a part of the survivalist movement which urges individuals to prepare for the breakdown of society by training with weapons and hoarding food and other supplies.
"She prepared for the worst," her sister-in-law Marsha Lanza told the Chicago Sun-Times.
"Last time we visited her in person, we talked about prepping - are you ready for what could happen down the line, when the economy collapses?"
Marsha Lanza described Nancy as 'self-reliant' and said she repeatedly talked about her preparations for the economic and social meltdown.
It has also emerged that Mrs Lanza had spoken of her fears about her son Adam's behaviour less than a week before the attack.
According to reports she told a friend that she feared "losing" her son", that his state of mind was "getting worse" and that "she was having trouble reaching him".
It has also been reported than Adam Lanza's social awkwardness had caused so much concern at his high school that he was assigned a psychologist.
Police have said Mrs Lanza, 52, owned five legally registered guns, three of which her son carried with him.
Mrs Lanza is 'thought' to have trained her sons, Adam and Ryan to shoot, even taking them to local ranges.
Friends and family have portrayed Mrs Lanza as a paranoid `survivalist' who believed the world was on the brink of violent collapse.
Despite initial reports that she was a kindergarten teacher at the school her son attacked, she had no connection with it and was described by a neighbour as `a stay-at-home mom'

Make the most of things, the world ends on Friday..Time not specified as yet. :)
Mx

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2012 15:57:15 GMT
Are you not familiar with the media Kod? (they've been doing this for years)

Posted on 19 Dec 2012 16:41:44 GMT
Sera69 says:
Arm the teachers?

Well if only the mother had access to guns she could have stopped her son. Oh. Wait...

America.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2012 17:41:17 GMT
Spin says:
IN; I do not think they guns belonged to the father; I am proposing possibilities as to why guns were in the house. And why do you think it "reasonable" for a divorceee to arm herself with a number of weapons. One gun, I could understand (though not agree with) but a number of guns including an assault rifle? Weird.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2012 17:59:32 GMT
I keep meaning to start myself an apocalypse preparedness kit (to be fair I used to go to Mormon church and they were always told to keep a years worth of food in the cellar in case the worst were to happen), but my thought is ... what if I die before the zombies come - all that money and time wasted on food and weapons !! Have to be resourceful if the time ever arises =)

(p.s. if it's a flood on Friday, I think I might Noah guy =P)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2012 18:02:40 GMT
I know, I know - but it always makes me feel dumb when I've gone to a certain conclusion based on what I've initially been told and then two minutes later the news has completely altered.

Ah well, I'll just have to stop thinking =D

Posted on 19 Dec 2012 18:04:37 GMT
Last edited by the author on 19 Dec 2012 18:05:58 GMT
Spin says:
A woman with an assault rifle; no wonder the husband ran away..He was terrified of forgetting to put the toilet seat up...
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