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Initial post: 7 May 2012 18:29:30 BDT
When will the idiots who report our news realise that there are NO Nazis anywhere today ..not in Greece, France, UK....nowhere....cost there is no Nazi party....ie a German Workers Socialist Party...

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2012 20:34:06 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: "Nazism" is an ideology, not a political party. In todays economic and social climate, "nazism" is on the rise. The Greeks voted for a nazi party and a communist party, the former made clear its intent to rid Greece of foreigners. Latest news is that no coalition is possible, the people rejecting democratic capitalism. Right now , as I type this,talks are going on to form a coalition of "fringe" parties...It does not look good for the "euro" or the "eurozone"...

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2012 21:15:49 BDT
No.....let's stay accurate...the word Nazi relates directly to the NSDAP....there is NO NSDAP....it has gone....finished...sloppy language....sloppy thinking...

Posted on 7 May 2012 22:16:50 BDT
Enna Treaw says:
This is one of the reason we should know our history - and not a romantic fluffy bunny version of it!
NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party or National Socialist Party. The party was just one of the many 100 nationalist parties that got organised by ex-soldiers of the First World War in Germany. They where the results of a country going to the dogs and ending up with wolves packs! They blamed everyone for loosing the war and the mess Germany was in but themselves. Thier biggest rivals where the Communists - who wanted to change the corrupt old world that had collapsed onto the battlefields of this Great War. People wanted something different - felt the old leaders had done a poor job - most were still in shock and confused of what had happened to them during the big slaughter of that war. But the Reds had two problems - one most saw them as 'Trojan horses' for the Russian communists who had set out on trying to sway the rest of the world. Remember in the 1920s the Russians had tried to invade Poland and it was only due to the Polish army successful resistance that they were stopped. It cause panic in Germany - if the Polish army hadn't stopped them they would have ended in Berlin - or so many believed. This gave most nationalist parties a change to gain strenght and support with the common people. Common people who often hadn't had proper schooling and didn't understand the complex thesis of the Communists to change the world - they understood the simple - oneliners of the nationalists. They blamed the others for the mess they were in - they promised to solve the problems with simple solutions. These parties where also not a main body but a confusing melting pot of all kind of nationalists. Each German region had thier own 'champion' team. The Nazi had Hitler - who elbowed his way up in this party. And had a proper support team to 'sell' him to the public. He became the one who could 'collect' all those nationalists and gain the support of a very large part of the German people. That made him win the elections by a narrow margin - he bullied a few other parties in accepting him as the 'leader' - and became the Furhrer in 1933. He gave the Germans no second change to dispose of him - he held no elections after that date so he sat firmly in the saddle with his pack of wolves (SS- Waffe) and bullies (Gestapo) as support. His ideas, his politics, his sway based on nationalisme made him the 'ulitmate' nationalist. That is why people ever since have seen nationalisme as a problem - well that is since the movies of Mel Gibson made it again 'accepteble' to be a nationalist. Nationalists in Austria, Italy before that were seen as a 'threat' to the democratic system. Now many nationalist parties sit in goverments across Europe without causing a panic ---
Except now with Greece --- why? Well I guess that there are some similarities with Germany in the 1920s - 1930s. A country ruined - having no possible easy way out of the mess there are in - with people who no longer believe in the 'old' ways - feel let down by the rest of Europe and the world - realising that outside world won't help or can't help and for this gets hold of what seemed to them to be the only way out. Communist change or national protection ---
Perhaps the term Nazi refers to the old German nationalist party of Hitler but the reflex to turn away from others - blame the others for all evil - bash the others without having any proper solutions --- well that is pretty much the same! In the light what happened last summer in Norway - where also one man beleived he had to safe his country from evil and destruction and the rise of nationalisme in almost every country (France is even happy to revive the cult of good old Jeane who died now about 600 years ago!) we should perhaps spend less time debating if Nazi are back or not instead of debating the fact how we can stop this wave of nationalists over running Europe and even USA --- remember they too have the Tea Party ---

Posted on 8 May 2012 14:37:24 BDT
The Greek Nazi party - Golden Dawn - got just 7% of the votes.
Nonetheless, the BBC in its News this morning chose to let its leader speak to camera. Yet it extended the same courtesy to none of the leaders of the anti-austerity parties that got the majority of votes.
It also interviewed the head of the Athens Chamber of Commerce.
Similarly, after the French election, it interviewed no member of the Socialist
Party that won the election, but a National Front MEP!
Clearly the BBC is trying to smear all anti-austerity policies as linked with Nazis and fascists.

Posted on 8 May 2012 17:33:15 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 19:31:53 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: So what is the Greek party called "Golden Dawn", if they are not "nazis"? Oh, I forgot. The west dislikes the term "nazi"; it prefers the term "Far-right" I forgot about Europes passion for literal "political correctness" even at the expense of denying reality. No wonder the eurozone fails to communicate with its members...

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:03:08 BDT
Spin...try to understand the verb to be....Golden Dawn "is" Golden Dawn...Nazis were (note the past tense) Nazis...simple....

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:30:57 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: I see...So by employing a mystical term as a title to represent bigotry, anti-semiticism and racism, one can be accepted in European politics as a "legitimate" political party? As long as one dos not use the term "nazi" one is justified in ones beliefs?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:34:58 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:37:58 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: "Exact language"? And which language do you consider to be "exact"?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:44:40 BDT
Nazi=NSDAP. D=German...not Greek...French etc...

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:46:13 BDT
TomC says:
I believe the saying attributed to James Whitcomb Riley is apposite:

"When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck."

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:51:20 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:56:13 BDT
TomC says:
Simon:

Why don't you try writing simple English sentences? It won't improve the quality of your arguments, but it might make them more comprehensible.

Ah: and perhaps that's why you don't.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 20:59:06 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: just as the term "christian" means a variety of beliefs, yet underscores the common belief in all cults, so "nazi" is a term representing bigotry, racism and anyi-semitism. You can argue as much as you want it but the fact remains that Hitler and his cronies called their party "National SOCIALISTS" because they wanted to cash in on the patriotism prevalent at the time. Before you make claims as to the meaning of "Nazism", "National Socialism" or "NSDAP", I suggest you read Ian Kershaws excellent and rivetting account of Hitler and his party entitled simply "Hitler" (Part one entitled "Hubris", part two entitled "Nemesis").

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 21:17:33 BDT
Spin.....does the word Nazi come from the abbreviation NSDAP?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 21:45:16 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: I do not know. From what I have read the term "Na-zi" is an abbreviation of "NA-tional SO-cialist". But I am not German and I am not a nazi, so I cannot be sure about that. As I care only for the behaviour and actions of people, and have no care how we label them,I will leave it up to you guys to research the intricasies of evil. =)

Posted on 8 May 2012 22:59:55 BDT
Charlieost says:
So could there be civil war in Greece? And has this mess been forseen which could be why Germany and France were pressing for a European Army? And if there was civil war or faction fighting in Greece would the EU refuse UN peacekeeping forces by claiming as the British goverment did in Northern Ireland during the troubles that it is an internal conflict? And will Greece be just the first country? And could there be further incursions of this nature (if it does happen)? And yes I am voting No at the referendum.

Do we have a bit of a prediction here? Time will tell.

Posted on 8 May 2012 23:08:38 BDT
TomC says:
Given that Greece's economy relies so heavily on tourism, I find it difficult to understand why so many Greek voters think that a political party which makes no secret of its hatred for foreigners is an asset.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2012 23:28:17 BDT
Alan Kershaw says:
According to Wikipedia:

'The term Nazi was an "acronym formed from the first syllable of NAtional and the second syllable of SoZIalist.'

And, by the way, they weren't socialists in any shape or form.

Posted on 9 May 2012 05:02:22 BDT
J. Burge says:
You may like to read this: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fxryshaygh.wordpress.com%2F&act=url

Golden Dawn (with 21 seats in the Greek Parliament) are by definition (as reading their positions makes clear) National-Socialist. They have socialist aims (they wish to 'delete' Greek debt like it is some fictional computer number) and want to use Greek material resouces for the benefit of nationalist objectives (nationalising oil and gas field so the state can profit). They have imperialist objectives (they wish to reclaim Macedonia and expel all Turkish diplomats). They wish to confiscate all property from non-Greeks and seek to expel all US and Turkish influences.

You cannot get any more national-socialist than that. Just because they are not seeking to 'exterminate' an entire race of human beings (though lets be frank here, Hitiler did not ever explicitly state before he was elected he wanted to get rid of all the Jews! So, I would not be surprised if anti-Turk feelings existed) does not mean they are any less National-Socialist.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 06:54:59 BDT
>>> says:
Nazi is an abbreviation of 'nationalsocializmus' (national socialism). 'Nazi' refers not only to the ideology of the NDASP. but also to imitators and derivatives elsewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 07:34:50 BDT
A: Was the term Nazi used before the arrival of NSDAP?...did Mussolini call himself a Nazi...or Franco?
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