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Is it time to open up all borders and allow people to travel freely?


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Initial post: 23 Apr 2012 15:58:43 BDT
Big businesses are free to move around the globe to get their goods made as cheaply as possible....so is it time the ordinary people had the same right?

Posted on 23 Apr 2012 17:17:11 BDT
S.R.J says:
Interesting question Simon, ,labour is effectively tethered , which is why Nike can get trainers made for pennies and sold for ridiculous prices in shops. The movement of labour on a free market basis (hang on isn't that what capitalism claims we have- free market economics?) is an absolute myth, most people cannot afford to move from one town to another let alone another country/continent/planet.......Yet capital shifts around the globe exploiting resources and labour wherever it finds it to be the most profitable, regardless of the misery it creates as a consequence.
yep................fair question
S.R.J

Posted on 23 Apr 2012 17:30:21 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2012 17:31:56 BDT
Thanks S.R.J.

Posted on 23 Apr 2012 20:03:14 BDT
M. Coleman says:
Bad idea

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2012 22:11:57 BDT
Mr SRJ, Those factories in China are owned by Chinese and financed with Chinese capital and only if the Chinese government says so, and they are improving Chinese people's living standards year-on-year.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2012 22:31:04 BDT
Understated.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 19:57:33 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 Apr 2012 20:02:39 BDT
S.R.J says:
Nope...they have factories in Vietnam and Indonesia, see Michael Moores' film , he interviewed the chairman of Nike, and offered to take him on a trip of his Indonesian factories, needless to say the chairman declined, ...oh so very nicely though. Ah yes, forgot to mention, when the Indonesian workers were going to take industrial action the army were brought in to brutally supress it. But maybe in China its all nicey nicey Gordon.
S.R.J

An addition, which adds to the niceness of Nike
"...............According to the report, Nike audited 569 factories in 2003 and 2004 and found abuses it has previously identified. Monitors found cases of "abusive treatment" - either physical or verbal - in more than a quarter of its South Asian factories, and between 25 percent and 50 percent of the contract factories in the region restrict access to toilets and drinking water during the work day.

The monitors found that in more than half the South Asian factories, and in over 25 percent of factories overall, the normal course of business led to work hours in excess of 60 hours per week. In more than one-tenth of all the plants surveyed, refusal to work overtime led to a penalty of some kind, the report said."

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:02:01 BDT
Mr. SRJ, Get off your exploitation shtick. Are these workers you describe slaves? Do you reckon they should have stayed down on the farm and starved?

The wealth China is producing is not just going to Western corporations and Chinese moguls but to ordinary workers, who live a better life in the towns and have money to send back home to their impoverished parents in the villages.

And the Germans love it...China is doing so well that it's the biggest market for Audi, BMW, Mercedes...

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:06:32 BDT
S.R.J says:
I am not referring to China...please re-read.
whats an exploitation schtick?....if you mean being peed off at workers getting ripped, then No I wont.
S.R.J

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:24:09 BDT
Oh dear Gordon...

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:58:05 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 Apr 2012 23:21:05 BDT
Mr. SRJ, OK China does not count, LOL. My comments stand for Indonesia too.

"Ripped off"...like earning more making trainers than fending off malnutrition in the village.

'Exploitation schtick' is exactly what it says, your act is seeing Western corporations ripping everyone off.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:59:26 BDT
Simon, Oh dear what, did you fart and follow through?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:01:40 BDT
Simon, Oh dear Barcelona. Did you see the blues tonite, what a game...Footie don't you just love it!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:13:12 BDT
Pendragon says:
Gordon - I understand that the technical term for that phenomenon is shart.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:13:40 BDT
Pendragon says:
Unbelievable.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:59:57 BDT
Pendragon, I agree, Chelsea's performance was unbelievable...but it happened.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 23:06:22 BDT
Pendragon says:
Gordon

"unbelievable...but it happened" - Almost as good as the resurrection then, eh?

Pity Terry will miss the final - but Chelsea didn't miss him much for more than half the match!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 01:05:19 BDT
Pendragon, I'm not sure about the Resurrection, I didn't see it, but I watched the Barca - Chelsea game on the telly so it must be true.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 07:52:12 BDT
M. Coleman says:
Well done to Chelsea indeed ,

But we are moving off the title subject a lot :)

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 07:55:11 BDT
RABB says:
The biggest shame was Ramires getting booked. He was outstanding last night.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 07:57:34 BDT
M. Coleman says:
All players were , to be fair , & nice to see Drogba defending near his own corner flag .

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 12:13:54 BDT
Pendragon says:
"we are moving off the title subject a lot :)"

True. Good job too. Intentional.

As for the subject, population movement is restricted by politically created national boundaries. It has nothing to do with business, big or small.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 12:33:28 BDT
H W says:
You mean to just travel freely?

or do you mean to settle in any country you feel like?

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 18:15:19 BDT
doctor_jeep says:
And how do you prevent the free movement of people leading to everyone free-loading on the most generous welfare system? We've already demonstrated that free movement of businesses has tended to lead to gravitation to those states with lowest cost of labour, least regulation and least tax - why would people not do the same, at least in enough numbers to crash any given welfare system? Absolute freedom of migration (at least if accompanied with full entitlement in the nation of settlement) would simply reduce the entire world to the lowest common denominator of social provision.
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