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Is there any point to "political debate/discussion"?


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Initial post: 28 Apr 2012 06:00:54 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 07:18:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Apr 2012 10:19:38 BDT
Molly Brown says:
Hello Simon, I think we should have more programmes like Question Time. Don't know why we don't really, I gather it's quite popular. How about we have a "real" Prime Minister's QT on TV. Say, once a week, the leaders of all the major parties, or senior representatives, if leader isn't available, face some REAL questions from members of the public, instead of the fake questions, rehearsed by tory MP's, about how wonderful the current government is. Last week's PMQ was an absolute farce, Secretary Hunt lied in Parliament, but no-one so far has picked him up on two of his lies. So let's have a TV QT for the public, and let the politicians answer some impartial questions. However, we should call it, Will the Prime Minister answer the Question".
Who would you choose as moderator?
Do you have a face for televison Simon?

Posted on 28 Apr 2012 08:56:28 BDT
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The real problem with all the so called 'freedoms' of speech/movement, the right to have and bear arms etc... is that unless the people/nation practising those freedoms are in fact very similar in attitude/outlook, religious opinion, racial origin etc... those 'freedoms' are in fact very divisive; more likely to cause friction/animosity than happiness. The 'rights and freedoms' enshrined in the American Constitution and Declaration of Independence are perfect examples of this. While restricted in reality to the white Christian frontier farmers who had conquered/settled America the 'freedoms' they enshined functioned as magnificent symbols of unity for those same white Christian settlers. When the black slaves, conquered Indians etc... started to demand the same rights as the white rulership class however, those 'freedoms' rapidly became highly contentious ( 1,000,000 dead in America's civil war to end slavery? ), because one man's profit is another man's loss. IE:- giving your slave freedom means you have to do your work yourself. Freedom of religion is another perfect example. While 'unfettered religious debate' was limited in reality to minor doctrinal points between the various Christian denominations and centred on the existence/non-existence of Hell, permitting a Baptist Church in a Presbyterian village etc... it all worked quite well most of the time. As the debate broadens to involve seriously different faiths/religious opinions the problems multiply. Christianity is monogamous, Islam polygamous; birthrate decides the makeup of tomorrow's nation. If I have four wives and eight children while you have one wife and two children, in just a generation my family will massively outnumber your's. In a democracy and/or on the battlefield, numbers matter.

In today's London some three hundred different faiths now compete. Some are tolerant but some are highly intolerant; some are by christian standards, appalling. Only recently the remains of a child was pulled from the Thames river; a police investigation subsequently revealed the little boy had been a victim of human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism!!!

This is the reason that from the dawn of history, tribalism not 'multi-cultural integration' has been the cultural/political norm for human societies. Homogeneous groups of people, living within clearly designated homelands are far more stable over the longer term, due to the shared culture/value systems they create, accept and then enjoy.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 10:39:47 BDT
Molly...The Fount has been on Nicky Campbell's "The Biq Questions"....

Posted on 28 Apr 2012 11:56:40 BDT
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Question time: why do you watch such pitiful garbage as 'Question Time'?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 12:01:53 BDT
A....to explore the "semantic-linguistic-structure" of other human beings.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 12:21:07 BDT
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Like me and pornography: I only look at it to understand the mechanisms whereby women are sexually exploited under patriarchal capitalist oppression.
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 13:09:59 BDT
NLP can best be understood as a systematic study of how human beings build and maintain generalisations.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 13:22:50 BDT
Oh yus Simon. On sexy Nicky's show in 2011 there was your 5 seconds of fame (great charasmatic personality and TV presence), ref. Gaddafi: "there's two sides to this", cut back to gorgeous Nicky BigEd who ignored you and moved on. Were you there on 15 April episode 14 when they came back to Brighton? [What did you say , 'would you vote for Ryokan?'] I missed it...where can I watch it?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 13:36:30 BDT
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How long have you been undertaking this arduous course of study and what pearls has it yielded up?

Posted on 28 Apr 2012 13:40:50 BDT
Molly Brown says:
? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming ?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 13:45:15 BDT
A...23 years...humans don't create their internal models of reality...they are puppets..

Posted on 28 Apr 2012 14:09:43 BDT
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It seems to me that you have something, Simon. I may be considerably less free I think. I accept a large degree of determinism in the physical world, but am less willing to acknowledge the social constraints affecting me. I accept I am unable to fly like a bird (I'll NLP that to: 'I accept that I would like to be able to fly just as a bird does.') - yet imagine I can achieve all sorts of things if only my mental carriage could be adjusted in a appropriate ways. On the other hand, I remember reading something which struck me as odd when I was younger. He (Sartre?) wrote something like, '... even on the executioners block the existent is radically free.' Some time later I realised that this was a piece of useful propaganda, not a statement to be taken as literally the case. 'We are not free, but ought always to carry ourselves as if we were.' I 'freed' myself of television - as far as anyone can in a society saturated with media - and had an instant improvement in the quality of my life. You've done your stint, Simon!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2012 14:19:06 BDT
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Posted on 28 Apr 2012 19:35:07 BDT
gille liath says:
There's no point to it if, as Question Time (and also this forum) often is, it's just a lot of extremists looking to sling mud and score points. It needs to be grounded, realistic, informed, and genuinely looking for solutions.

Posted on 3 May 2012 09:03:37 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 May 2012 09:07:07 BDT
F. Mundell says:
<< There's no point to it if - it's just a lot of extremists looking to sling mud and score points. It needs to be grounded, realistic, informed, and genuinely looking for solutions. >>

I agree... (but one could really question if there is any point in anything.....)

IMO, there is no point in getting into any debate or argument unless you are honestly willing to change your point of view if a valid overpowering argument is presented, and this argument shows that your hypothesis is flawed.

Extremists find this idea intollerable - they cannot imagine that there is any possibility that they could be "wrong"!
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