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Is it time to open up all borders and allow people to travel freely?

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In reply to an earlier post on 1 May 2012 09:44:15 BDT
doctor_jeep says:
No, I'm named after the Sisters of Mercy song about the evils of television.

Posted on 1 May 2012 09:23:27 BDT
F. Mundell says:
IMO, it is a "good" idea - for an ideal world! - But, at the present time, with our present state of human social evolution, it is not possible - we are not ready. John Lennon's song "imagine" IMO sums up the requirements .. One cannot (IMO) get rid of borders until one implements all the other factors mentioned in this song - Nationality, religion, possessions - our relationship to all these need to be radically changed before we can change our world.

Alas, we are moving in the opposite direction, and things can only get worse. Our planet is being stressed by climate change, and we are acting far too slowly to avert inevitable disaster - we have perhaps 30 years to implement massive technical intervention (including hard geo engineering) and this will require global cooperation (which simply isn't going to happen).

As the consequences (of our inaction) kick in, land capable of producing food will become premium, and everyone will want to relocate to countries which escape the worst of the early effects - This is already starting - Africa is the continent presently subject to the most severe effects of global warming, Asia will probably be next.

Those who are in more comfortable countries (which, ironically and cruelly, are the ones which added the most CO2 to earths atmosphere) will defend their borders more vigorously, in order to maintain their standard of living (and lengthen their survival time)

Eventually (within 120 years) humanity, as we know it today, will be gone - a few struggling remnants may survive a while longer as earth becomes more like Venus, eventually all higher forms of life on earth will be extinct (probably within 200 years)

This (unless we do something remarkable NOW to avert the disaster) will all happen long before we have any chance of evolving socially to a level required to allow free movement of peoples and dissolution of borders and nationalities

In reply to an earlier post on 1 May 2012 01:17:58 BDT
its true and sad but you can't force them to last

And the posh nosed ******** ********* in gov don't care about you or me they have no clue what it is like for the real people of this country rise up burn them all on a nice big hot fire and have the swiss way more referendums

Posted on 1 May 2012 00:53:03 BDT
David Rudd says:
British businesses which relocate from Britain in order to increase profits are run by criminals. They steal the livlihoods away from British workers and exploit the vulnerable in other lands.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 19:38:46 BDT
i am a doctor and a lord eBay

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 18:45:41 BDT
Dr., Simon says he's going to stop the Social, 'no work, no pay' is his way.

Are you a real Doctor?

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 18:15:19 BDT
doctor_jeep says:
And how do you prevent the free movement of people leading to everyone free-loading on the most generous welfare system? We've already demonstrated that free movement of businesses has tended to lead to gravitation to those states with lowest cost of labour, least regulation and least tax - why would people not do the same, at least in enough numbers to crash any given welfare system? Absolute freedom of migration (at least if accompanied with full entitlement in the nation of settlement) would simply reduce the entire world to the lowest common denominator of social provision.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 12:33:28 BDT
You mean to just travel freely?

or do you mean to settle in any country you feel like?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 12:13:54 BDT
Pendragon says:
"we are moving off the title subject a lot :)"

True. Good job too. Intentional.

As for the subject, population movement is restricted by politically created national boundaries. It has nothing to do with business, big or small.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 07:57:34 BDT
M. Coleman says:
All players were , to be fair , & nice to see Drogba defending near his own corner flag .

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 07:55:11 BDT
RAB says:
The biggest shame was Ramires getting booked. He was outstanding last night.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 07:52:12 BDT
M. Coleman says:
Well done to Chelsea indeed ,

But we are moving off the title subject a lot :)

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 01:05:19 BDT
Pendragon, I'm not sure about the Resurrection, I didn't see it, but I watched the Barca - Chelsea game on the telly so it must be true.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 23:06:22 BDT
Pendragon says:

"unbelievable...but it happened" - Almost as good as the resurrection then, eh?

Pity Terry will miss the final - but Chelsea didn't miss him much for more than half the match!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:59:57 BDT
Pendragon, I agree, Chelsea's performance was unbelievable...but it happened.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:13:40 BDT
Pendragon says:

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:13:12 BDT
Pendragon says:
Gordon - I understand that the technical term for that phenomenon is shart.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 22:01:40 BDT
Simon, Oh dear Barcelona. Did you see the blues tonite, what a game...Footie don't you just love it!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:59:26 BDT
Simon, Oh dear what, did you fart and follow through?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:58:05 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 Apr 2012 23:21:05 BDT
Mr. SRJ, OK China does not count, LOL. My comments stand for Indonesia too.

"Ripped off" earning more making trainers than fending off malnutrition in the village.

'Exploitation schtick' is exactly what it says, your act is seeing Western corporations ripping everyone off.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:24:09 BDT
Oh dear Gordon...

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:06:32 BDT
S.R.J says:
I am not referring to China...please re-read.
whats an exploitation schtick?....if you mean being peed off at workers getting ripped, then No I wont.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 21:02:01 BDT
Mr. SRJ, Get off your exploitation shtick. Are these workers you describe slaves? Do you reckon they should have stayed down on the farm and starved?

The wealth China is producing is not just going to Western corporations and Chinese moguls but to ordinary workers, who live a better life in the towns and have money to send back home to their impoverished parents in the villages.

And the Germans love it...China is doing so well that it's the biggest market for Audi, BMW, Mercedes...

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2012 19:57:33 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 Apr 2012 20:02:39 BDT
S.R.J says:
Nope...they have factories in Vietnam and Indonesia, see Michael Moores' film , he interviewed the chairman of Nike, and offered to take him on a trip of his Indonesian factories, needless to say the chairman declined, ...oh so very nicely though. Ah yes, forgot to mention, when the Indonesian workers were going to take industrial action the army were brought in to brutally supress it. But maybe in China its all nicey nicey Gordon.

An addition, which adds to the niceness of Nike
"...............According to the report, Nike audited 569 factories in 2003 and 2004 and found abuses it has previously identified. Monitors found cases of "abusive treatment" - either physical or verbal - in more than a quarter of its South Asian factories, and between 25 percent and 50 percent of the contract factories in the region restrict access to toilets and drinking water during the work day.

The monitors found that in more than half the South Asian factories, and in over 25 percent of factories overall, the normal course of business led to work hours in excess of 60 hours per week. In more than one-tenth of all the plants surveyed, refusal to work overtime led to a penalty of some kind, the report said."

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2012 22:31:04 BDT
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