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The Falklands - A New Crisis?

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In reply to an earlier post on 14 Aug 2012 19:25:54 BDT
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Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Aug 2012 04:01:25 BDT
Post-empirical age ? what does that mean please ? excuse my ignorance.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Aug 2012 16:50:08 BDT
As Reisman wrote, "the British were forced to rely, first, on
discovery, itself a very weak ground, and, second, on occupation, in which the French had preceded them and then ceded whatever rights they may have had to the Spanish, acknowledging the superior Spanish claim."
You (mis)interpret these events as Spain "bullied France into handing over their claim to the island" which is obviously biased and factually incorrect.
G Heywood, I think we've probably taken this discussion as far as it can go.
Hopefully, the possible new crisis over the Islands has blown over, leaving us to face more important questions.
How do we recover from the economic crisis?
What do you think of the EU?
What do you think of the SNP's desire to break up Britain?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Aug 2012 18:52:24 BDT
Spin says:
Wiliam: I assume you are being rhetorical...

Posted on 25 Sep 2012 09:26:47 BDT
Pendragon says:
While on the subject of news articles, did you see

It seems that in the census taken in April 2012, the results of which were released earlier this month, nearly six in 10 of the 2,563 FI residents classified their national identity as "Falkland Islander," compared to almost three in 10 who feel British.

This is said to be "a blow to Argentina", although it sounds as if the Islanders are claiming more self identity than British identity. " "The census shows that there is a real national identity here," Jan Cheek, Member of the Legislative Assembly in the Falkland Islands told The Daily Telegraph."

Home rule for the Falklands, then?

The article also confirms a point raised earlier by William Podmore, saying "... immigration had slowed due to one of the world's most restrictive policies. Newcomers are not allowed to apply for islander status, giving them voting rights among other things, until they have completed seven years of residency. That can be done only by repeatedly renewing temporary labour contracts. Even then, only 40 people can apply each year, and not all are accepted."

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Sep 2012 09:41:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Sep 2012 09:42:02 BDT
Molly Brown says:
"Falkland Island Holdings plc is a holding company. The Company is engaged in general trading in the Falkland Islands, the operation of a ferry across Portsmouth Harbour and the provision of international arts logistics and storage services. The Company operates in three segments: General trading, Ferry services, and Art logistics and storage. The Company's subsidiaries include The Falkland Islands Company Limited, The Falkland Islands Trading Company Limited, Falkland Island Shipping Limited, The Portsmouth Harbour Ferry Company Limited, Portsea Harbour Company Limited, Clarence Marine Engineering Limited, Gosport Ferry Limited, Momart International Limited, Momart Limited, Dadart Limited and Erebus Limited."

Do they get automatic shares in this company at all. I used to use the Portsmouth-Gosport Ferry everyday to get to work years ago. It's a small world ain't it.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Sep 2012 09:41:16 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Sep 2012 09:42:26 BDT
I'm assuming Spin means post-imperial, but then only he can clarify.

(talking about Empire and then 'empirical' I thought that would be the obvious answer...?)

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Sep 2012 09:44:17 BDT
Pendragon says:

"Do they get automatic shares in this company at all".

I don't know. But we can be sure that first chance President Kirchner gets, those shares will be expropriated by Argentina.

Posted on 25 Sep 2012 10:26:15 BDT
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I though originally when this blew up all those years ago, that the people who lived there just rented and leased? I didn't think the population actually owned much. We must have had other motives to defend it as a strategic base because I'm sure everyone would have left the island for a large payout and relocation bonus. That would have been a cheaper option to what the island costs us to run. Is it about oil and gas again?

Posted on 23 Dec 2012 16:38:19 GMT
Pendragon says:
Latest update is that on 21 December Argentina formally protested Britain's decision to name part of Antarctica as Queen Elizabeth Land and summoned the British ambassador in Buenos Aires to explain the decision.

The Argentine protest note "strongly rejects" London's claim since 1908 to that part of Antarctic known as the British Antarctic Territory, and it criticises what Argentina calls Britain's "imperialistic ambitions going back to ancient practices." The note highlighted that Argentina regards the territory as "an area in the Argentine Antarctic sector."

Argentina further highlighted that by renaming the region, London has violated the spirit of the Antarctic treaty, signed in 1959 in Washington, DC by several countries, including Britain and Argentina.

The treaty was aimed at protecting the Antarctic from territorial disputes. Presumably such as the claim made in the Argentine note to the existence of an "Argentine Antarctic sector" ...

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2012 17:11:59 GMT
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Posted on 23 Dec 2012 20:38:39 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jan 2013 16:31:05 GMT
Pendragon says:
Hi Dav

On the Antarctic issue, pass.

As for the Falklands themselves, the Foreign Office said on Twitter today, rejecting demands made by Kirchner in the letter she paid to have published as an advert in, amongst other newspapers, today's Guardian:

"The people of the Falklands are British and have chosen to be so. They remain free to choose their own futures and have a right to self-determination as enshrined in the UN charter. There are three parties to this debate, not just two as Argentina likes to pretend. There can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the islanders so wish."

Which seems fair enough. Added to which the only two UN Security Council resolutions on the matter make it quite clear that as far as the UN is concerned the Falklands are British territory.

As I have said before, it seems clear that Argentina's renewed interest in the matter is part of her cynical energy grabbing policies, and an attempt to generate popular appeal for an increasingly unpopular government ahead of elections in October.

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 17:49:25 GMT
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D. M. Ohara says:
It would be a very bold move to actually invite Kirchner to visit the Falklands, and meet the people, and ask them about how they want their future decided. Camera crews and interpreters should be on hand to capture all the exchanges, and a very good documentary could be made of the visit.
Would she accept such an invitation: almost certainly not. She knows what they would say, and it is not what she wants to hear. But her bluff should be called and the invitation issued.

Posted on 4 Jan 2013 02:32:29 GMT
Argentina just like causing trouble first the Falklands the something about queen Elizabeth island in the artic.the government there is just doing it so stops people thinking about all its other problems.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2013 09:01:03 GMT
Rattanakosin says:
As a show of strength why not pull troops back from Afghanistan and post a few tanks and planes at Port Stanley at least it has something to do with the UK!
Keep a strong defence on the Islands and see if these corned beef eating cowards want to attack more than a civilian target this time!?

Posted on 4 Jan 2013 12:16:53 GMT
Pendragon says:
Following the publication by Kirchner of her letter to Cameron as a paid advert in the Guardian on 3 January 2012, it seems that The Sun newspaper has today published a full-page advert in an Argentinian newspaper (the Buenos Aires Herald, in Spanish and English language) telling Kirchner to keep her "hands off" the Falkland Islands.

The Sun's letter can be read at and concludes with the sentence:

"In the name of our millions of readers and to put it another way: 'HANDS OFF!' "

Fairly restrained stuff for our Nation's most popular "news"paper!

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2013 17:49:25 GMT
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Posted on 6 Jan 2013 16:50:00 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2013 19:06:57 GMT
Is that not what Thatcher did to divert attention away from her unpopular policies at home by invading the Falklands?

Posted on 6 Jan 2013 19:22:28 GMT
Dissident says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2013 19:48:12 GMT
G. Heywood says:
No, Argentina invaded the Falklands, not Maggie.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2013 19:48:34 GMT
G. Heywood says:
The Falklands can't be given "back" because they were never Argentinian.

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Posted on 11 Jan 2013 14:02:04 GMT
Why doesn't London declare Independance and give the rest away.

Trouble is they would all starve with a week and even worse have no caffe laite left - the horror !!
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