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Initial post: 5 Apr 2013 20:09:18 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 20:16:08 BDT
gille liath says:
Next your bonkers mates, the 'shining beacon' of North Korea, start nuking everybody to show how enlightened they are.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 20:18:25 BDT
Trouble is...my bonkers mates haven't killed hundreds of thousands....check the figures for Afghanistan and Iraq...thousands upon thousands blown to bits by the not bonkers USA?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 20:58:55 BDT
David Groom says:
Simon DHB,

'Trouble is...my bonkers mates haven't killed hundreds of thousands....check the figures for Afghanistan and Iraq...thousands upon thousands blown to bits by the not bonkers USA? '

You've forgotten 9/11 then?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 21:21:04 BDT
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Posted on 5 Apr 2013 21:40:03 BDT
He hasn't forgotten: he simply doesn't care, which is far worse.

Posted on 5 Apr 2013 21:56:24 BDT
A customer says:
My god don't bother buying the Sun or the Daily Mail, just look in on the Az politics forum.

Simon Huffer and Mad Max Hastings writing under pseudonyms....

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 21:58:18 BDT
David Groom says:
Simon DHB,

'David Grime...not forgotten..why?....two wrongs make a right eh Grimey?.... '

No, but what action would you expect the US to have taken?

Posted on 5 Apr 2013 21:59:51 BDT
A customer says:
Simon Huffer?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 23:08:13 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hopefully the Vatican Simon. Or little gille's kingdom. Gilletteland. Razor sharp as he thinks he is. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 23:11:00 BDT
Ceres?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 23:13:01 BDT
Now then The Funty, there's evidence that the Kim's have killed millions of their people.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Apr 2013 23:16:00 BDT
Brian, You ARE droll.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 04:49:12 BDT
The same action we took in the 70s, 80s and 90s against terrorists...the IRA....we didn't invade the Republic of Ireland did we Mr Grime?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 10:32:49 BDT
The Funty,

I agree. It seems to me that US response to 9/11 was 'disproportionate' (to put it mildly). There have been up to 1.2m deaths in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, that's 400x the number killed 9/11. But this appalling stat understates the full scale of suffering caused, it doesn't include the people injured, many maimed for life and those who have died as a consequence of the economic disruption and deterioration these wars caused not just in Afghanistan and Iraq but around the World. The US alone has spent (wasted) to date $4 trillion, doing itself serious economic and social damage in the process, from which it's struggling to recover. All for what? Just look at the improvement in US standing around the globe and the reduction in terrorism.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 10:36:47 BDT
David Groom says:
Simon DHB,

'The same action we took in the 70s, 80s and 90s against terrorists...the IRA....we didn't invade the Republic of Ireland did we Mr Grime?'

Your analogy is poor and flawed by virtue of there being little in common between the two situations.

Firstly, the taliban, who were running Afghanistan, were synonymous with AQ, whereas the Irish Government certainly weren't totally aligned with PIRA. They may have had political sympathies, but their position was far removed from that of the taliban.

Secondly, the goal of the PIRA was a political one and limited to gaining re-unification of Ireland. AQ's goals, apart from killing as many Americans as it can, are extremely unclear, and hence, difficult to counter in any rational way.

Thirdly, AQ's reach is global, whereas PIRA was pretty much confined to the UK (with the exception of the Gibralter incident). I don't see any way in which the US could police AQ on a worldwide scale. By contrast, it was relatively easy for the UK government to police and effectively defeat the PIRA over a period of time.

Fourthly, the scale of the 9/11 attacks was wholly different from the very low level pin-pricks that the PIRA inflicted, and as such called for a much more significant response. To have done nothing would have displayed appalling weakness and would have occasioned further attacks.

For all these reasons, and plenty of others, your analogy fails. So, let's pretend, heaven forbid, that you were the US president and you know what I have written here. What would you have done?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 10:50:24 BDT
The funty's <<analogy is poor and flawed>>, agreed. He's not very good at arguing his case.

<<To have done nothing would have displayed appalling weakness>> Probably

Who's suggested doing nothing as an alternative? And to do what the US has done in Afghanistan and Iraq displays appalling stooooopidity immho.

Posted on 6 Apr 2013 10:51:41 BDT
A customer says:
What a laugh it's turned into on this politics forum.

You have two permanent on call right wing loons patrolling the forum 24/7 who spend their hours complimenting each other on their latest Neo Liberal fantasies.

Interspersed with comic appearances by the Thick Mick and his arch enemy the Vatican apologist Saint Gille of Salford.

Oh and the janitor easy failure.....

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 11:31:40 BDT
David Groom says:
Gordon Bennett,

'The funty's <<analogy is poor and flawed>>, agreed. He's not very good at arguing his case.'

Not very good!! You exaggerate surely. He's absolutely useless at arguing anything.

'And to do what the US has done in Afghanistan and Iraq displays appalling stooooopidity immho.'

I'd agree with you about Iraq, which had nothing at all to do with 9/11 and everything to do with unfinished business from the 1990s. Afghanistan is, in my view entirely different. The taliban were effectively harbouring and directly supporting, and in some cases actually were AQ people. To carry out the 9/11 attacks was essentially an act of war, perpetrted by a national government so I'm afraid that they got everything they deserved.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 11:33:04 BDT
David Groom says:
Brian Blessed,

'What a laugh it's turned into on this politics forum.'

Clearly, you are at completely at home in this company, so what are you griping about?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 11:58:24 BDT
Brian's OK everyone else is not OK. The call sign of a sociopath.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 12:00:11 BDT
Did you have a troubled night Brian, acid reflux or was it green bile?

Posted on 6 Apr 2013 12:01:18 BDT
A customer says:
40 minute response time,

Being part time i.e. 20 minutes a week tops is a laugh yes.

On watch 24/7 is sad and spooky.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Apr 2013 12:51:07 BDT
David Groom says:
Brian Blessed,

'40 minute response time, Being part time i.e. 20 minutes a week tops is a laugh yes.'

I don't think we want to know about your sex life.

Posted on 6 Apr 2013 15:29:55 BDT
Spin says:
The politics forum is being dominated by fools because politics itself is dominated by fools. The state of a nation can be discerned by the political awareness of its citizens and these threads provide an excellent example of why the UK is in a mess.
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