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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Mar 2013 22:13:43 GMT
TomC says:
No: it was Tony Blair.

Posted on 23 Mar 2013 21:25:56 GMT
Gordon says:
Always loyal to what he believed in.

Unfortunately that was not Britain.

Posted on 22 Mar 2013 15:20:43 GMT
Last edited by the author on 22 Mar 2013 15:21:13 GMT
Dan Fante says:
To be honest I am not exactly his number one fan but I have no problem with him wanting to be a Catholic and supporting gay marriage, although strictly speaking it was the civil partnership that was introduced on his watch. You can be a member of a faith without signing up to everything the organised part of that faith officially espouses.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 14:38:15 GMT
Joe Sen says:
Tony Blair is a hypocrite. He supported gay marriage then joined the Catholic Church. He wants to have his cake and eat it. He was hedging his bets. It would be better to refrain from voting for gay marriage rather than affirm it and at the same time call himself a Catholic.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 13:54:51 GMT
Pipkin says:
I cannot disagree with anything you have posted Foxy.
Did you see the BBC 2 programme last night about the destruction left in Iraq after the US/UK intervention?
I think it was called ''Did my Son die in Vain?
That was the truth...imo.
Margaret.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 00:25:54 GMT
N. Rice says:
Spot on M Phelan. Individually US citizens are great. I've met a few when I've visited and they're very friendly and hospitable. They've made great contributions to science, politics and society and many of my cultural heroes originate there.
Unfortunately collectively and internationally they are a complete mess.

Posted on 20 Mar 2013 23:19:34 GMT
J. Forbes says:
I blame Bush and Blair for Gross negelegence.

Oh dear. I blame your school teachers for dereliction of duty.

Posted on 20 Mar 2013 21:08:10 GMT
Foxfire says:
What has religion to do with this topic? Why should we care what religious persuasion Blair believes in. I really do not care, but if people seriously believe that religion is important to this issue you must be all very confused or you certainly will be given that the Bible, Koran etc are full of contradictions. You are not going to find the answer there matey's. In any case religion has not exactly got a glowing historical records, given all the killings that are being done in the name of religion past and present events.

Just look at the facts, and use these.

The fact is that the coalition have failed bitterly in not having a sound post victory plan, as they had in WWII called the Marshall plan. The result being destruction of infrastructure, looting and lawlessness. Result Al Quaeida could march right in there and get a stronghold. I blame Bush and Blair for Gross negelegence to why Iraq is in such a S'*"? state today.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 17:59:42 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2013 13:56:23 GMT
Pipkin says:
Excellent, Thanks for that Pen.
The link you post appears to be what he said in November last year?

I can't access the video sound? I know... I'm simple? To be honest I cannot bare to look at the man or hear his voice.
I WAS a staunch Blair supporter when he first came into 'power' but soon realised that he was - even more corrupt than any of his predecessors. I despise him and the imbecile Bush for what they did... Over 1,500,000 innocents murdered in Iraq,. never mind those that have followed thanks to the lies and blueprint they left behind.
My heart is broken for all these people who are suffering becasue of their agenda..
I know it might sound daft, but the more I read, the more I really feel that Zionists (Not Jews per se) and Jesuits (Not Catholics per se) are at the root of everything rotten in this world.
Regards,
Mx

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 16:19:52 GMT
Pendragon says:
Margaret

Just a small point on the first BBC article. Where it says: "Last year, Mr Blair, who is now a Middle East peace envoy, said he had prayed to God when deciding whether or not to send UK troops into Iraq", it is, I believe, referring to the Parkinson Show interview of Blair on 4 March 2006.

If so, Blair did not say he prayed to God when deciding to send troops to Iraq, what he in fact said was that he believed he would later be judged by God for the decision he made. His remarks in that interview were widely misreported at the time, and it seems the BBC still hadn't got it right 21 months later.

From Dan's post early this morning, it appears that Hans Blix has formed a judgement on the matter. One has to wonder whether God's judgement will be any different?

That said, the fact that Blair is now a Middle East peace envoy, and to all appearances a remarkably ineffective one at that, has to be one of the greatest ironies of the last decade, if not considerably longer. Interviewed during Israel's Operation Pillar of Defense last November, he said "So the most important thing is we stop the rockets from coming out, the retaliation can then stop, we get some ceasefire or calm into the situation and then work out a better way forward"*. Well, Tony, the rockets have stopped but there has been precious little evidence of anyone working out a better way forward!

*[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9681298/We-must-stop-the-rockets-coming-out-of-Gaza-says-Middle-East-Peace-Envoy-Tony-Blair.html]

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 15:49:17 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Dan,

Saturday, 22 December 2007
Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has left the Anglican Church to become a Roman Catholic.
His wife and children are already Catholic and there had been speculation he would convert after leaving office.
Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, who led the service to welcome Mr Blair, said he was "very glad" to do so.
But ex-Tory minister Ann Widdecombe - herself a Catholic convert - said Mr Blair's voting record as an MP had often "gone against church teaching".
Last year, Mr Blair, who is now a Middle East peace envoy, said he had prayed to God when deciding whether or not to send UK troops into Iraq.
And one of Mr Blair's final official trips while prime minister was a visit to the Vatican in June where he met Pope Benedict XVI.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7157409.stm

December 27, 2007
Tony Blair converted to Catholicism last Friday during Mass at Archbishop's House, Westminster.
Reaction to Blair's conversion has ranged from bemused to indignant. The latter tone is struck by Leslie Rowe, a Green Party Parliamentary candidate who penned a letter to the Yorkshire Post pointing out that the Roman Catholic Church is hypocritical for allowing an unindicted war criminal into its ranks. William Rees-Mogg cogitates on the political significance of the conversion in an officially Protestant state in his Times Online article on the subject.
Little mention is being made, however, of Mr. Blair's recent admission that he avoided revealing his deep religiosity for fears of being labelled a "nutter". Although some may believe him to be referring to a professed British aversion to public avowals of faith, perhaps he is referring to the bizarre occult rituals which he performed during his reign as Prime Minister of Britain.
http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20071227_tony_blair_converts.htm
Quite an interesting article... things I knew and some I didn't.

Where do the Jesuits/Catholic Heirarchy/Illuminatii fit in?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 11:39:33 GMT
Alastair Campbell said 'we don't do god' he was worried Blair would look to close to evangelical republicans. Not that it helped...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 11:37:12 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I don't think that's true as he had been attending mass etc. for many years prior to his 'official conversion' so to speak. I think he simply had some notion it might impact on his political career.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 08:44:45 GMT
Dan Fante says:
John Pilger also highly recommends it apparently. Good enough for me.

Posted on 19 Mar 2013 08:31:17 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I see Blair's come out and said he doesn't regret the invasion and that it was right, partly because Saddam had only temporarily stopped his WMD programme and that it would have started up again had the Allies backed off and not invaded.
There was an interesting interview on Radio 5 with Hans Blix this morning where he stated there was absolutely no material evidence to support Blair's claims even 10 years on and the only evidence was that obtained by captured soldiers after the war, which in itself is obviously questionable. He also said it would appear that Blair has learned nothing from what happened and that while he didn't think Blair had acted in bad faith he felt he certainly acted in bad judgement and, along with Bush, was directly responsible for the loss of life.

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 15:46:23 GMT
Pipkin says:
Can I recommend a book to everyone... you can actually bring it up on Amazon and look inside...
It contains absolutely invaluable information that we need when trying to understand just what Teflon Tony did, and how bad things really were/are.
''Why are we the Good Guys? Reclaiming your mind from the Delusions of Propaganda.''
By David Cromwell. 7.72 + 2.80p&p a tenner well worth spending....imo.

Posted on 12 Mar 2013 20:42:18 GMT
Pipkin says:
Can I just apologise for taking up so much space... I have been ill and unable to contribute for a month.
I began reading through this thread and responding, without realising that it was excessive. sorry :)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 20:37:10 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hello Mr Wheeler,
Here's what we can all do:

http://stopwar.org.uk/

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 20:33:07 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hy Dan.
He converted believing he would be forgiven for his sins.....
Unfortunately there is no religion on God's earth that can ever ease a guilty concience. As is shown in his face. I hope the Universe pays him back what he gave to the families of all the 1.5 million Iraqis alone that he caused the murder of.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 20:13:27 GMT
Pipkin says:
On the nose Easy......

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 19:37:51 GMT
Pipkin says:
Excellent post Brian..
As you say.. The only legitimate reasons for any war must be taken when every other option has been fully exhausted and only then when it is clear that our security is DIRECTLY threatened

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 19:35:29 GMT
Pipkin says:
Richard....
Please don't be so naive.
I'm sure you are capable of researching more than one side of the case.
If anything...The public were gullible and were drip fed images to respond to. They hadn't a clue what was actually happening or what the actual miners were going through!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 19:25:52 GMT
Pipkin says:
Excellent post Robert....

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 19:24:44 GMT
Pipkin says:
**What tends to get forgotten in all these hang-Tony-Blair discussions is that Saddam Hussein was - one of the most dangerous men on the planet - who had caused the death of millions of Iraqis and Iranians,**

More Propaganda? Don't you know Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
So why would Hussain have been an exception.

Fact:
FOR A SUPPOSED SHORT TERM BENEFIT, the USA has often armed and equipped authoritarian regimes quite cynically. IT SUPPORTED SADDAM HUSSAIN'S IRAQ REGIME in its war against Iran, and the Taliban led opposition to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (AlQaida) - in both instances it had to reverse its policy after the 9th September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre.
It is as if because it has a vast military arsenal it has got to use it, whether or not it is effective.......
The USA is a huge and young country composed almost entirely of immigrants and the descendants of immigrants and yet, with all the passion of the convert, it is perhaps the most fiercely nationalistic of all developed countries. It is a vast melting pot of all types and conditions of men and women and is manifestly not a "nation" in any meaningful definition of the word. Yet in it its declaration of allegiance its citizens affirm that they are "one nation under God". Therein lies one of many paradoxes: the need to make the statement implies that it is not otherwise apparent, just as countries that include the word DEMOCRATIC in their name rarely are.
The USA Government harps on about the primacy of democracy, yet has the lowest level of electoral participation in the developed world. It is also a country with by far the highest level of active religious affiliation and yet does not have a health or education system that embraces the poorer sections of its society.
The USA people are some of the most generous and are openly hospitable to visitors, and yet the country's fear of foreign countries leads it into gross abuses of its military strength. It is almost as if American citizens behave totally differently as individuals than they do collectively. Partly this is a consequence of yet another paradox: that despite the high proportion of first and second generation immigrants in the USA many of its citizens are totally naive as to what goes on outside the country and are remarkably unaware of even basic geography.

WAR IS THE CLOAK UNDER WHICH MURDER IS COMMITTED.
Albert Einstein.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 18:43:49 GMT
That's another of Scumbag Tony's crimes, driving an honest decent man to his death
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