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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2013 14:16:47 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Fatman says:

You are right. Making generalizations about nearly 300 million people is silly.
I was thinking about the media when I wrote my message.
Good guys are good, bad guys are bad and often ugly as well and they drive German automobiles. Good guys used to drive Volvo station wagons but that's changed now.

Product placement is important.
American media is about selling stuff and emotions.
I have not seen the same thing with the British but that's because I only get BBC World Service.
It is hypnotic. So dependence, no side effects and you sleep like a baby!'

Yes, I know you were not making generalisations my friend! :~) Yes, product placement is also slowly creeping into British TV; half hour long infomercials fronted usually by two perfect specimens with perfect teeth rattling on about some such wonderful thing 'that will change your life' and etc ad nauseum! Yes I agree, Americans seem to be more susceptible to the hard sell, the emotional angle, whereas Brits are less inclined to be sold products or politics or anything else in this way. Ah, I've never seen the BBC World Service, but I suspect it is not really representative of British society as it really is, and it is for the rest of the world not us Brits! ;~)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2013 05:49:14 BDT
Fatman says:
You are right. Making generalizations about nearly 300 million people is silly.
I was thinking about the media when I wrote my message.
Good guys are good, bad guys are bad and often ugly as well and they drive German automobiles. Good guys used to drive Volvo station wagons but that's changed now.

Product placement is important.
American media is about selling stuff and emotions.
I have not seen the same thing with the British but that's because I only get BBC World Service.
It is hypnotic. So dependence, no side effects and you sleep like a baby!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 21:34:55 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Apr 2013 21:35:22 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Fatman says:

What America hates most is complexity.
Just look at how many films are made of losers and you realize that Americans love losers because they can help them feel superior. As long as it is made very, very clear that this film is NOT about you but somebody else who is a loser.
(We just make fun of you while taking your money but that's beside the point)

Ha-ha-ha.' Well, as long as you're laughing hey?! I really don't know. Americans are like everybody else, there are good, bad and indifferent ones, pretty much the same as British people I have met. Some of the best movies have come out of America; and some of the worst too.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 18:07:40 BDT
Spin says:
ME; Follow the money? Then it comes back to your pocket.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 17:36:52 BDT
Pipkin says:
ABSOLUTELY TRUE - EVERY TIME!

Follow the money, and who gains?

It certainly isn't the 'losers' who supposedly cause us all the problems there are in this world? When in point of fact they are simply the fall guys/the patsies. imo

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 17:28:07 BDT
Fatman says:
What America hates most is complexity.
Just look at how many films are made of losers and you realize that Americans love losers because they can help them feel superior. As long as it is made very, very clear that this film is NOT about you but somebody else who is a loser.
(We just make fun of you while taking your money but that's beside the point)

Ha-ha-ha.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 17:22:37 BDT
Fatman says:
Who owns the media?
If some things are difficult to understand, just follow the money.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 16:40:26 BDT
T. S. C. says:
In reply to your post on 25 Apr 2013 10:55:38 BDT

'Leonard M. Weisfeld says:

T. S. C. says:
in the poorer classes, competition can become violent and involve turf-wars over drugs or whatever.

LMW:
would you then say that it is only the poorer classes that are engaged in international wars - over turf, or drugs, or whatever?'
Gangsters at the bottom make no bones about protecting their territory, trade routes and interests; with governments and the upper echelons there is a sheen of politics and respectability. The whole world seems to be in a constant struggle, wars of trade, business, technology and I suppose the war of ideas too.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 10:55:38 BDT
T. S. C. says:
in the poorer classes, competition can become violent and involve turf-wars over drugs or whatever.

LMW:
would you then say that it is only the poorer classes that are engaged in international wars - over turf, or drugs, or whatever?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2013 00:05:53 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Leonard M. Weisfeld says:

T. S. C. says: there's nothing Americans hate more than a loser.
LMW: i thought there's nothing we hate more than doing things slowly. ;-)
i'll have to check the polling results again.

Certainly, there are differences between large societies and small ones, and my guess would be that there is a high correlation between the size of a society and the general "aspirational" motives/thoughts/actions of its members. However, as a believer that the species as a whole is a pack animal, i am never surprised to find "aspiration" among groups of either "loser" individuals or "loser" societies.' Yes, there is competition in all spheres of human activity and all human societies, and in higher circles competition may be for better jobs, bigger houses, and so on, in the poorer classes, competition can become violent and involve turf-wars over drugs or whatever. We are as humans always pitting ourselves against others, one way or the other, whether we know it or not, or whether we want to or not. Americe was forged on aspiration, and I suppose that it is the most ruthless capitalist society on earth, with some good results and some bad results. But Western Europe as a whole is two steps behind.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2013 08:03:22 BDT
Is that what I wrote?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Apr 2013 04:48:18 BDT
In one tablet?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:58:50 BDT
Sorry, it's a secret language!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:57:11 BDT
T. S. C. says: there's nothing Americans hate more than a loser.
LMW: i thought there's nothing we hate more than doing things slowly. ;-)
i'll have to check the polling results again.

Certainly, there are differences between large societies and small ones, and my guess would be that there is a high correlation between the size of a society and the general "aspirational" motives/thoughts/actions of its members. However, as a believer that the species as a whole is a pack animal, i am never surprised to find "aspiration" among groups of either "loser" individuals or "loser" societies.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:41:51 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

I have to agree... I hope it lasts :) '

Me too! :~)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:25:54 BDT
...Have you tried ginger and ginko biloba?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:22:02 BDT
Pipkin says:
I have to agree... I hope it lasts :)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 22:06:36 BDT
Back...back....explain?...the fount seeks balance.

Posted on 23 Apr 2013 21:21:15 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Apr 2013 21:22:32 BDT
Simon,

Given you back heinous dictatorships like North Korea and Stalin's Russia, your opinion is deluded at best, and morally inexcusable.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 21:18:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Apr 2013 21:19:53 BDT
Leonard,

Can you rephrase, for the benefit of people who don't speak conspiracy nut?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 20:14:22 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Spin says:

As the government is now requiring trainee nurses to spend a year as "care assistants "there should be a law requiring politicians to spend a year in the depths of poverty.'

Some of them think they already do. How awful it must be to only have 66,000 a year to live on, perks, subsidies, money from 'special interests', subsidised travel, living expenses, a flat in London and their constituency and then retiring on a gold-plated index-linked pension? Maybe we could start a charity 'Help an MP', so the poor blighters don't have to endure anymore poverty?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 20:10:54 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'M. E. Phelan says:

Likewise, I am neither left nor right... I cannot see for the life of me why we need 'party' politics.'

I think that politics in many cases has replaced religion, even though if you went back a few hundred years it might have been difficult to separate what was political and what was a religious impulse. We don't really need party politics, it's just a way ultimately of dividing people up into convenient controllable blocs that can often be manipulated by one party or government, or the other. And, as you say, it has become a gravy train, but then perhaps it has been for a long time.

'As you say some people can be vile to one another, but seriously, in my life I have found them to be the minority, but they get the biggest press.
We have a couple or so on these forums, but I have noticed that people are beginning to ignore them, and that can only be good. Because the more you pick a sore the more it will bleed.'

Yes, that's my experience too, the bad'uns are often thin on the ground but they get the most publicity, or to put it like this, the vile drunk at the bus stop is considered the biggest pest and no one but no one wants him to latch on to them! We are all hoping he (or sometimes she!) goes away somewhere, and doesn't sit next to us. Yes, I tend to ignore those who are permanently right, and don't debate, only dictate. I just leave them alone. To be honest I have only been doing this for a few days and like most of us have other things I do too. But sometimes someone says something interesting or worth debating. It is a discussion forum after all!

'I realise that there are people who think deeply about things, and can be civil, even if they don't agree..and it gives me hope.'

And you are absolutely right, and you have proved to be one of them with a nice reasoned answer and willingness to debate and see the other person's viewpoint. As long as we reasonable people remain reasonable and considerate of the other lad or lass' view, then there is always hope. :~)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:51:41 BDT
Spin says:
CE: but without the possibility of gas-lines. and McDonalds on every corner? Poppies are more profitable to a nation than the imagined wealth of capitalist profiteers.....

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:48:49 BDT
That sounds uncomfortable...and messy...try peppermint leaf tea.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 18:33:10 BDT
Yes, like Afghanistan.
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