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Initial post: 7 Mar 2012 09:39:14 GMT
Formless says:
Most of the babble that is written against Communism is a form of baby talk and insults.

New Communism will be built naturally through a process whereby the masses shed the ego that feeds the capitalist machine and the desire for "trinkets".

New Communism will be a force that is self-generating as humans realise that they are not their shallow selves and life is more than footie and X factor!

Posted on 7 Mar 2012 10:05:10 GMT
Last edited by the author on 7 Mar 2012 10:22:57 GMT
gille liath says:
Communism has never been short on vague, visionary dreaming, and this looks like more of the same. It has two insoluble problems:

1. Violent revolutions inevitably generate more violence ( you say 'new communism' will be built 'naturally' - 'by magic' would be more honest).
2. As had been recognised as early as Plato, you can't have communism without authoritarian govt; and authoritarian govt can't be trusted.

Besides that, there is the awkward fact that most people simply don't want it. As I've said a hundred times on this forum, people may be dissatisfied with fat-cat financiers, but they have no intention of giving up their own patio heaters, 4x4s and weekend breaks in Prague. They don't realise that the two are inextricably linked.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:24:10 GMT
Formless says:
You don't understand the way dissolving the ego clears away the cravings.....for the patio heaters etc.....

See how you live in the past?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:28:57 GMT
gille liath says:
Good one - obviously if I disagree with your (so far non-existent) case I live in the past - and obviously if I live in the past I'm wrong.

But do go on: how do you propose to dissolve peoples' egos? I presume you'd see the traditional gulag method as 'living in the past'?

Posted on 7 Mar 2012 10:33:41 GMT
Gille, gulags? Not many since the 1950s. You are out-of-date.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:36:39 GMT
gille liath says:
Thanks, I've already been informed of that. The gulag, though, was the tried-and-tested Soviet method of dissolving the ego. I'd like to know what our pal Simon proposes, if not that.

It's also worth pointing out that communism - again, the old-school version - has if anything been even more obsessed than capitalism with the chimera of increasing production and consumption. But no doubt in the Brave New World all that'll change.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:37:46 GMT
Formless says:
As you use the word "traditional"...yes... a tradition is always of the past.
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:38:26 GMT
Formless says:
How was the gulag about ego?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:39:32 GMT
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gille liath says:
Still waiting for the answer to my question...

In answer to yours: read The Gulag Archipelago.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 10:56:16 GMT
Formless says:
gille...this debate is about the future...a future where people learn MBSR....a future where "ego grasping" dissolves....these concepts are very advanced.

Posted on 7 Mar 2012 16:12:38 GMT
Don't mistake Alexander Solzhenitsyn's books for factual history. For example, his figures for deportations during the 1930s in the Soviet Union were `grossly exaggerated', according to (anti-communist) historian Gabor Rittersporn. See his 'Stalinist simplifications and Soviet complications: social tensions and political conflicts in the USSR 1933-1953', Harwood Academic Publishers, 1991, p. 237.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 17:50:22 GMT
Spin says:
William: Solzhenitsyn began by writing about actual, personal experience but later veered of into writing about personal philosophy. Don't get me wrong, masterworks, by all accounts. But hardly "truth".

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 19:28:51 GMT
gille liath says:
Okay, so...still waiting to hear what these incredibly advanced concepts are. Or if you think they're too advanced for us, why start the thread?

This is a key question, because - whilst undoubtedly ego is one of the big problems about capitalism - conversely, the fear people have about communism is that they don't want to be subsumed by the state, and lose their individuality. So if you really think you have a solution to the conundrum, for the third and final time: let's hear it!

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 19:50:45 GMT
Formless says:
You are still thinking with the wrong part of your mind........forget the past.......forget.......forget......stop using memory.......

See something better.....

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 19:57:37 GMT
gille liath says:
Uh-huh. Right. I know where we stand now. Just don't say I didn't give you a chance...

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 20:35:37 GMT
Formless says:
I know where I stand.....

I have no idea about you.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2012 21:33:55 GMT
David Groom says:
Simon Boyd,

'I know where I stand.....'

That's good, because I don't think any of the rest of us have the slightest idea where you stand or what you stand for, mainly because you haven't actually said anything.

Posted on 8 Mar 2012 00:44:03 GMT
J A R P says:
I get the feeling that gille doesn't like communism or socialism as concepts. He's quite immovable on these subjects.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2012 09:18:14 GMT
Elizabeth says:
Sounds like most religionists - nothing clear and defined with any real evidence to back it up, just wishy washy vagueness!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2012 09:55:34 GMT
gille liath says:
At least most 'religionists' are capable of saying what it is they believe.

Posted on 8 Mar 2012 11:12:35 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Mar 2012 11:32:45 GMT
(Deleted by an evil communist dictator as they do not believe in freedom of speech)

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2012 11:27:51 GMT
Formless says:
Poppy.....you to live in the past.....STOP!...

Posted on 8 Mar 2012 12:10:26 GMT
What are your plans for future Communism which don't rely on anything from past Communism then Simon ?

Posted on 8 Mar 2012 14:05:07 GMT
Formless says:
As I have explained...

New Communism will be a culture (living).....that develops as the masses learn to shed their artificial person created by the world they live in....as this is combined with MBSR and the relevant amino acids + Essential fats.....then NC will grow like a red rose.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2012 14:36:20 GMT
Elizabeth says:
True for you Gillie!!! But there are some who are every bit as vague as our friend Simon.=) I remember once talking to someone who said (and I quote exactly) "I don't know what I believe, but I believe it." I'm kinda feeling that Simon could relate to this??

Simon, you remind me of those party political broadcasts where the person makes all these grandiose claims without any specifics, any details or any actual policies and expects you to vote for him. Perhaps you could tell us what convinced you that this NC that you're so keen on would really work? I mean, you haven't actually said anything concrete yet. In fact, I doubt what you have said could even be described as abstract!

Oh how grateful I am to be politically neutral if this is all the hope there is for the future!
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