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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 09:47:48 BDT
Nick,
What is in the developer? - its a long time since I used any. Fixer has sodium metabisulphate in it doesn't it? The quantities must be small. If you are worried why not phone the water company and ask if it is forbidden to stick it down the sink? Or better still stick it down the plug hole as you empty the bath for greater dilution. A lot of trade effluent is dealt with via the sewers, albeit with a payment, but those quantities are large.
This is what the Ilford website says: Amateur and home users in the UK should dispose of small amounts of used photographic processing solutions by dilution with plenty of water and washing them down the drain. Do not mix solutions.
It is not advisable to dispose of photographic chemicals to a septic tank.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 09:53:30 BDT
well gawd knows whats in it, but the ID 11 comes from USA now and so perhaps the graphic warnings all over it are to meet some kind of code and so overstating the dangers. A septic tank is actually what we have. I shall have to drag my barrel out of the darkroom under cover of darkness and empty it in a ditch!

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 11:02:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 Sep 2010 11:02:58 BDT
Nick,
Now that would be a bit drastic. Why not take a small container to work, to a friends house, the pub or public lavatories? It would then be captured by the sewage works.

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 17:31:36 BDT
G. E. Hearn says:
There'll be a way to get rid of it or reprocess/recycle it I'm sure. Industry uses far more dangerous chemicals than we use in film processing, and they manage okay.

The trouble with all these eco-fascists is that they've made Joe Public think that anything that can't be poured away and doesn't smell of buttercups and fluffy bunny-wabbits is going to destroy the planet. Grrr...

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 18:53:35 BDT
Vendemiaire says:
I can't believe thet that I'm hearing this from so called civilised people in the new ere of the 21st Century! If people become eco-facists , It's probably because of the horrendous amount of people that just think that little bit won't matter!

Yes I know that the fabrication of my digital camera poluted and that my battery if I don't dispose of it correctly will polute but I won't be adding insult to injury.

If that's the sort of reflection that this debate has become then I'd rather be thought of as an eco-facist than a photographer.

In French we term this sort of conversation "à brasser l'air" which basically means that the words that are coming out of your mouth are not worth the breath!

How to set the example for an up & coming youth who may have been inspired to use film!!

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 19:22:33 BDT
frogs says:
Hear hear Vendemaire. It's the "my little bit won't help" ostriches of the world that are helping fxxk it up. (Not that I am actually <b>against</b> film photography for that, or any other reason... just the attitude.

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 19:34:25 BDT
Zelazowa says:
Zut alors...! What has happened to this forum? From being "sick of digital" it is now suggesting that we "pour away" pollutants? Pour away where? With you on this one Vendemiaire and Froggeh... oh and another thing..... my ideal DSLR would be based around the functional simplicity of a beautiful camera like the Nikon FM... [I can hear the keyboards clattering away already]

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 19:51:39 BDT
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G. E. Hearn says:
What's the weather like up there on those high horses of yours, boys?

The MANUFACTURERS OWN INFORMATION tells you to dilute it and pour it away. Not in huge quantity, sure, but pour it away nonetheless. What Nick was saying about pouring it away in a ditch, in bulk was, well... In English we have a term for this sort of conversation too. We call it "A Joke" or we say that it was said with "Tongue Firmly In Cheek".

I don't advocate pouring the stuff away in anything other than accordance with the manufacturer's or local authority's instructions either. But then it doesn't bother me because I pay someone else to process my films.

You are George Monbiot and I claim my five pounds. ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 20:29:02 BDT
Vendemiaire says:
I think that you have a regrettable tendency Mr Hearn of engaging your words and thinking afterwards! It's not the first time that you back-pedal

Quote: G. E. Hearn
The trouble with all these eco-fascists is that they've made Joe Public think that anything that can't be poured away and doesn't smell of buttercups and fluffy bunny-wabbits is going to destroy the planet. Grrr...

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 21:09:29 BDT
G. E. Hearn says:
No, Mr Vendemaire, you have a regrettable habit of not reading things properly. Which is compounded further by your equally regrettable habit of posting your misobservations in an attempt to make yourself look more clever than you actually are.

The quote upon which you so high-handedly passed down your judgment is this:

"The trouble with all these eco-fascists is that they've made Joe Public think that anything that can't be poured away and doesn't smell of buttercups and fluffy bunny-wabbits is going to destroy the planet. Grrr..."

Which means, in essence, that the public has been so brainwashed by the environmentalists that they now believe that anything that can't be poured directly down the sink is going to destroy the planet. There are plenty of substances which cannot be poured into the drain, but which by reprocessing and treating appropriately CAN be rendered safe.
As you would have seen had you bothered to quote my post in full, including this bit:

"There'll be a way to get rid of it or reprocess/recycle it I'm sure. Industry uses far more dangerous chemicals than we use in film processing, and they manage okay."

But then that wouldn't provide good fuel for a bit of righteous indignation, would it?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 21:50:14 BDT
I totally agree with your thoughts, I live near castle eden dene, on the coast in count durham, beautiful place, hundreds of thousands of digital photo's but few prints, whereas my 35 mm photos were all thought of much more seriously because of cost and i also have more quality shots overall from my minolta i also have a canon ae1, truly great camera's

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 21:58:03 BDT
G. E. Hearn says:
Good on you Sir! I know the area well as my folks come from just the other side of the Tyne. Best not tell the Filmfynder General that you still have a 35mm SLR. They'll be round to burn you at the stake! ;-)

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 22:14:35 BDT
Lets not get too carried away.
"Most photographic processing effluents and wash waters contain chemicals that are biodegradable. They are, therefore, compatible with aerobic (with oxygen) biological treatment systems and are effectively treated when sent to an efficient sewage treatment facility."
These chemicals must only go down the foul sewer though because developers are reduction agents and take oxygen out of water.

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 22:15:29 BDT
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I trust that Vendemiaire and froggeh do not have dishwashers and use surfactants (eg rinse aids) sparingly. Nor will you use pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, desiccants, wood preservatives and paint. Watch out for over use of houshold cleaners too. And cosmetics. And I trust you never leak oil or fuel or antifreeze from your car - if you are so rash as to have one. You don't ever get clothes dry cleaned do you? You will of course dispose of your used batteries to recycling points along with any electrical apparatus (if you have any).You don't get rid of anything before it wears out do you? I hope not. What are your clothes dyed with? You don't have bofires do you now? or fireworks, candles or smoke? Where to stop? This goes for Z too.

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 22:33:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 Sep 2010 22:34:23 BDT
Vendemiaire says:
Thankyou G. E. Hearn

I do just about know how to read! However if you made a concerted effort to comunicate a little more eloquently you may help us poor pseudo intellectuals to conquer our illiteracy!

The first paragraph of your mesage was a futile statement especially if you were interpreting Nicholas Harmans statement as a joke. Of course there are correct ways of dealing with the waste. I take oils, chemicals, left over paints etc to the tip where they have containers for that sort of thing. Personally, little other than used water goes down my toilet or sink & being an eco-facist I use only ph neutral cleaning products or white vinigar.

In no way did your first "qualifying" paragraph excuse or entitle you to treat people who care in a discriminative & condescending manner! Furthermore: I do not see anything pretentiously clever about being concerned about ones environement, or is this for you purely a worry of people who's education you envy?

A dear departed friend of mine used to say 'If you've got nothing good to say about somone you may as well economise your words.

I state my case.

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 22:42:59 BDT
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G. E. Hearn says:
My dear departed Grandad used to say "B**locks".

That economical enough for you pal?

I rest my case.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 22:45:11 BDT
Vendemiaire says:
Apart from the fact that the only source of heating that I have is an open fire; you actually, strangely just described me Dr Austin. I can go one step further in the fact that I don't have running water, it has to be fetched and carried & is thus a precious comodity that has to serve several purposes before being used to flush the toilet.

Posted on 17 Sep 2010 22:48:29 BDT
Zelazowa says:
Where to stop Dr G...? ... or... where to start? ....does anyone have an ideal DSLR in mind by the way?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Sep 2010 23:54:16 BDT
Vendemiaire says:
...and there lie our differences! My grandfather was a lovely old chap! Hated vulgarity. Loved photography!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Sep 2010 00:52:16 BDT
Last edited by the author on 18 Sep 2010 00:55:48 BDT
I wonder if any of you putative environmentalists can justify your sudden attack of angst concerning the disposal of amateur (as opposed to industrial) quantities of photographic chemicals to the foul sewer?
By the way: Z, you're a bit too zen for me.
V, I admire your asceticism. I have experienced French plumbing too.
Mind you, if you eat you must be held partly responsible for the use of agri chemicals.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Sep 2010 00:56:33 BDT
frogs says:
"I trust that Vendemiaire and froggeh do not have dishwashers and use surfactants "<snip the following irrelevant cack>

I am no eco-warrior, and a joke, is usually, well, erm, funny. I regard myself as pretty un-PC, but on an open forum, suggesting swilling the poison that film cameras produce down the loo is just irresponsible.
And yes, I have a dish washer (I like automation remember ;=) ). But yes, used batteries get dealt with separately (as well as cans, glass and plastic). I live in Sweden, which thankfully unlike the UK and the US (shudder) takes the planet seriously...but necessitates anti-freeze....unfortunately the likes of Jeremy Clarkson, vaguely funny in a "look how stupid I am" kind of way as he can be, do nothing but harm to the very real threat that the place our kids will have to inheret is under.

What was the original topic? doh!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Sep 2010 01:00:51 BDT
frogs says:
"I wonder if any of you putative environmentalists can justify your sudden attack of angst concerning the disposal of amateur (as opposed to industrial) quantities of photographic chemicals to the foul sewer?"
Industrial waste is heavily scrutinized. Private idiots thowing stuff down the sewer of all places is not, unfortunatey.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Sep 2010 01:38:15 BDT
Unfortunately you have been unable to answer the question. My earlier post explained that developer was largely bio degradeable. So what's your beef?
Industrial waste may be highly scrutinised (in Sweden) but only when you found your paper industry was doing incontrovertable harm. Then there are your extractive mineral industries which have polluted lakes, for instance. I suppose there is no contamination from your steel industry, unlike everywhere else?
You, personally, do your share of pouring chemicals down the sewer, as do we all.
Check it out before you mouth off about tiny quantities of developer. The main risk from photographic chemicals is due to skin contact and accidental ingestion. Disposal to the foul sewer is acceptable, assuming there is a decent sewage works at the other end of it as in the UK.

Posted on 18 Sep 2010 02:02:18 BDT
frogs says:
"Unfortunately you"...blah
Nobody is innocent. But it was simply the attitude of one or 2 posts. I have nothing against film, but to suggest pouring the waste down the sewers is utterly stupid. There are places that deal with it. SImple.
And not wishing to confuse, I'm expat not Swedish, I just live here, and the difference in attitude is stark and certainly for the better, whatever the past. Next you'll be bringing up the complicity in WW2.

Posted on 18 Sep 2010 02:25:17 BDT
Zelazowa says:
... where to start? How about taking any liquid chemicals to your local Community Recycling Centre... a phone call to your County Council should help towards responsible disposal of toxic liquids.
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