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In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2012 10:45:12 BDT
I'm with Truth on that. Coming to an agreed descision is always better than making your own in this type of situation. But I would warn that showing total ignorance to what is going on is deffo the worst thing to do. The vandalism may lead on to worse crimes if the kids are not given any reason to stop (I've been there myself in the vandals shoes and wish my group of friends got caught doing something relatively unserious, but they didnt. I knew what they were going to do was wrong and 'chickened' out, they robbed a house, got caught and now all have criminal records, I didn't get involved and am soooo glad now.)

Posted on 8 May 2012 01:00:27 BDT
light says:
thanks both of you I appreciate the advice.

Posted on 11 Jun 2012 23:38:04 BDT
The Truth says:
Well, tonight I got my answer when I returned home to find my house broken into.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2012 01:16:10 BDT
light says:
Oh my gosh, Truth, I hope no one else was at home when it happened. Good thing that you or no one else walked in while they were in your house. Karma is very complicated as it involves many different factors.

It is still possible to view this that good karma was in action because even though your house was broken into no one was hurt, right? Maybe because you stuck your neck out to prevent a previous crime and possibly someone getting seriously injured it brought about, good karma, safety for yourself and maybe your loved ones if you live with family.

My daughter's car was broken into a few years ago, they took all of her cd's and the player, after our insurance paid their share it cost us $250.00 to fix her car door. It was a very scary incident for her but I am very grateful that she didn't walk in on the crime while it was in progress, I could only imagine what could have happened. She was shaken for a while after this happened but we stuck together to get her through this tragedy.

Don't keep your concerns to yourself, talk about it as much as you need to until you get through this.

Posted on 12 Jun 2012 15:04:39 BDT
The Truth says:
Hi Light,

I hadn't thought of it like that - I suppose that's a nice way of looking at it. A few things were taken but my cats were OK. That was my only concern, but they are both fine and didn't make a mad dash for freedom through the broken window. So yes, good Karma perhaps.

To be honest, I'm not that worried about it. I'm pretty philosophical about it and although they took a few nice bits of kit (like my ipad and laptop) the only things that really matter are the cats... although, having said that my laptop did contain my new album and my last 7 years' worth of music - so that's a lot of hard work down the pan. But what are you gonna do.

Ironically, I had all last week off work and it was my first day back. I actually would have liked to have been in the house when they broke in - they would have got a shock I can tell you as I'm not shrinking violet. The police say often they come back in a few weeks when the insurance money has been paid and the stolen items have been replaced... one can but hope as I bought myself a nice new baseball bat today.

An old expression a friend of mine used once years ago springs to mind. His sister was mugged and he found out who it was. He was hell bet on some sort of revenge and I was trying to talk him out of it saying it might not be the smartest thing when he said: "I just look at it as reinforcing Karma... with a baseball bat."

I might give karma a helping hand too if they ever turn up again.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jun 2012 01:29:36 BDT
light says:
HI Truth,

I'm glad that you are taking all this ok. Thank goodness that your cats are ok, some people can be so mean to cats because they are small and easy to toss around or worse yet.

But one thing about karma is that you do not want to be the one who delivers bad karma to someone else, let the universe/god do it for you, otherwise if you seek out to take a baseball bat to that person then you have been aggressive and aggression will be returned to you. Protect yourself if the need arises, but don't seek it out.

I don't remember if you are religious or not, but the bible does say that when it comes to vengence, let god take care of it. That does not mean completely let it go, do what you have to do when it comes to police reports and keeping up on things that you hear or might find evidence in your place, like you said you are not a shrinking violet, but don't turn into that man eating plant in the little shop of horrors either :D

If that person comes back I think it would be ok to protect yourself, so a bat in that sense should be ok, but what would happen to you if that person died or became permanently paralized?

Are you a musician? You mentioned that your new album was on your laptop, maybe this is that extra push that could make you a superstar :D

Please be careful.

Posted on 13 Jun 2012 15:05:38 BDT
The Truth says:
Thanks for your concern Light, but I'll be fine - and don't worry, I'm not going to hunt anyone down and seek revenge.

I'm not religious, but I do try and live each day doing the right thing and helping others where I can.

The laptop being taken has been a mixed blessing - on the one hand I have lost about 7 years of work and my new EP which was meant to be released soon, but it does mean I'll get a new laptop as this one was on its last legs anyway, so swings and roundabouts I guess.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 05:10:26 BDT
Spin says:
Light: I have never claimed that "Karma" was a uniquely buddhist concept. The concept, its definition and explanation is common among many eastern religions. In Western terms, it may be expressed as the Newtonian principle that "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". But it is the Wests tendency to seperate the physical from the mental, via religion and science, that leads to the west believing that "Karma" is some mystical, ethereal, phenomenon. Not so.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 05:19:15 BDT
light says:
Truth,

Well maybe I should look forward to my laptop being stolen as mine is on it's last leg also!

What kind of music do you play?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 05:30:34 BDT
light says:
Spin,

Newton studied the Kabbalah, so the principle that is attributed to him, "there is an equal and opposite reaction," can be found in the Kabbalah and also in Hermetics.

I just finished my study tonight on the subject which explained the eternal cycle of action and reaction, there is no beginning and no end each action plays and grows off of eachother.

Sefer Yetzirah spoke of a reflection of a reflection and infinity. It's very interesting I'm surprised that more people aren't interested in learning about it.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jun 2012 11:37:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jun 2012 11:37:44 BDT
The Truth says:
I don't really 'play' anything. But I programme stuff with big drums, big bass and a jazz/funk/hip hop flavour to it. I also like to sample a lot of folk music and throw that in then sprinkle it all with a some scratching.

Posted on 14 Jun 2012 22:58:15 BDT
light says:
Sounds like fun, keep up the good work!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 00:10:29 BDT
Spin says:
Light: unfortunately, the balance described by the Qabbalah is maintained by God. So it is not a true balance, but a controlled one..

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 05:20:15 BDT
light says:
Spin,

And a lucky thing for that too, otherwise I might not be here today.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 14:27:19 BDT
Spin says:
Light: Sorry, I do not know what you mean..Are you saying that without God you would not exist? Are you refering to your existence in general or to a specific life-threatening situation in which you believe God "altered the balance" and saved your life? Or do you mean something entirely different?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 00:52:41 BDT
light says:
Spin,

I mean that if I were to receive all the negative karma at once that I have incured over many incarnations I would have died from shock already in this life time. You mentioned Kabbalah, the karma is balanced by god and I agree, otherwise people would not have a chance to do any good deeds to help them negate some of the karma.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jun 2012 00:12:47 BDT
Spin says:
light: So the will of God decides X should happen then God changes his mind and makes Y happen. Balance of God? To be crude, it seems to me that God is unbalanced. Karma itself is indepenedent of deity: even deity must obey krama, in both its physical and non-physical sense...

Posted on 18 Jun 2012 06:03:42 BDT
light says:
Spin,

People send out the boomarang, the universe returns it. This is karma to me. When a person sends out a boomarang it may or may not return, depending on how the boomarang is thrown. The way it is thrown will determine where it will land and how hard it might land, maybe it will miss the thrower all together if a wind suddenly comes up. The wind is god's intervention, maybe a person corrected a bad action which in return corrected some negative karma.

In the book of Ruth the King sent out a decree to kill all Jews because of a lie he was told by Haman,one of his trusted officials, once a decree has been made by the king it can't be cancelled because it has been sealed. If the king were to cancel his decree it would show a sign of weakness and he could lose his power. But a king could send out a counter decree or a warning to the Jews so that they could prepare themselves to stand up and defend themselves. The king has saved his own face and did was right in the eyes of god/universal conciousness.

Esther, the king's wife, found favor in his heart and because of her actions and the actions of her Uncle, which saved the king's life, he found out about Haman's lies so he ordered Hamans execution and sent a warning out to the Jews so that they could be prepared to fight.

This to me is karma in action and could be considered god's balance. I don't have all the answers just trying to make sense out of life.

You said that even deity must obey karma, but I would like to say that maybe it is karma who obeys god. Maybe the Trinity is God/mankind/karma.

Posted on 18 Jun 2012 09:37:50 BDT
Rich Martini says:
I think Karma has been mistranslated all these years. In colloquial terms, it refers to payback. "What goes around, comes around" - or is it the other way? As applied to religious philosophy, whether Buddhist or Hindu, it's like this inescapable baggage that we lug around - and determines what our next lifetime will be. If you've been really naughty, you might come back as a farm animal. An unhappy farm animal. Which I guess implies that if you're really good you'll come back as.. what? Elvis? Some guy sitting on a divan, being fanned?

I've been researching an unusual description of karma as reported by thousands of people under deep hypnosis who claim that we don't travel with karma from life to life at all. They claim that between lives we are free of any encumbrances, and that we choose our next lifetime - also that the animals have their own realm. And that older souls, wiser souls choose more difficult lives because they can handle them. And that the stones in our path are placed their by our own volition - to learn lessons from them spiritually. That the idea we might choose another lifetime of stress, or working out issues we failed to previously - anger, resentment, violence, etc - is entirely up to us. If we feel we didn't capture the brass ring that time around, we might choose to do so again - with the help of our beloved soul mates and spirit guides.

(if you're curious about the research, it's in the book and documentary "flipside" - I'll include a link at the end of this missive, but am not posting to push it - just observing that I'm learning that karma ain't what it's been painted as).

So in terms of ratting our neighbors, or ratting out sons - there's a fine line between being a tattle tale, and saying something that will help a person to see how their negative actions affect others. I supposed you could take a can of spray paint, and while your son is out, go into his room and give it the kind of once over his friends are giving others so he can see the effect of his negative actions. But one thing does lead to another - and vandalism,or breaking other people's stuff - can lead to more physical violence. The underlying issue is what's important - where does the anger come from? Is there any way to get at the root of that?

Richard Davidson of the University of Madison/Wisc has shown through his studies of meditation,that even one session can cure depression - changing the shape of the amygdala. The meditation he used was tonglen, a tibetan healing meditation that uses "give and take" - picturing someone who is ill and then imagining that you're curing them by using a white healing light to help them - in essence, you wind up healing yourself by trying to heal others. Meditation - or the endeavors that promote meditation - yoga, some martial arts - can help lead to a state of mind that doesn't follow a crowd, or get caught up in the emotion of the moment. But if you're actions contain love - no matter what the action is - as in "i'm going to help this person by doing this" - is only going to benefit you in the long run. My two cents.

as promised: Flipside: 1

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2012 18:10:34 BDT
Spin says:
Light: God "Chose" to create. In choosing he obeyed karma. Nothingness demands Being, even God could not escape that....

Posted on 20 Jun 2012 04:16:18 BDT
light says:
Spin

We create our own karma and god allows it, so I suppose you could look at it as though god obeys it and why shouldn't he since it goes along with the laws of nature that he created.

Posted on 20 Jun 2012 21:16:07 BDT
monica says:
Don't think you score karma points until it's time for you to be reborn. Though if you get any for this act, they'll be entered as carma points. Sorry. I couldn't bear for this thread to carry on without some eejit making the bleeding obvious pun.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2012 12:10:44 BDT
Sorry to hear that Truth. Was your work backed up? Glad the moggies are cool.

Posted on 19 Sep 2012 16:07:02 BDT
The Truth says:
PP:
No, no work backed up :-(

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Nov 2012 20:01:43 GMT
Pipkin says:
I thought I understood you....Take a peek at the new thread
''The Truth that could Set us Free'' I included you in my recipient list.
All the questions you could ever ask are answered there.
Good job.. for reporting the robbers... well done!
M.
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